I'm surprised that we still get the accusation of marketing misleading.

It was expected that Joel would be dead or missing in the sequel ever since the end of TLOU1, even more when they had that Ellie playing guitar thing several years ago. Them on several years of presentation and comments on the game Joel was missing, people were already speculating. Most promos didn't even mention Joel at all. The marketing misleading come from a trailer having some footage of Joel being on them? That is quite the reaching. Even worse when ND allowed reviews to go over a week before launch (without spoilers), and spoilers were allowed on the day it was released. So anyone that thought they would be playing with Joel for a long time were doing some sort of selective research.

Two of the ads show Ellie in distraught, bloodied and vengeful. One of the main ads had Joel standing grey over like a ghost. All of the Gameplay adverts showed Ellie as being playable. I think most people would figured out the story when they watched the trailers.

Me and my brother thought Joel was dead in TLOU 2 when we watched the first trailer.

Can people stop using the misleading advertising as an arguement. Are developers suppose to convey major twists and turns in their advertising campaigns? If you've been following this game since it was first revealed, surely you felt a somber theme especially with the Ellie scene playing the guitar? Then you ask yourself, what is a big enough motivation for Ellie to go an a revenge crusade across America, having played through the first game with the knowledge it gave about the characters personalties ? What would motivate Ellie to that extent?

Sure, this 3s of Joel on screen versus several minutes of ellie certainly was main reason for purchase.

On a game that is set to kill your expectations, including make you play with the enemy and feel bad about all you did on the first half. That is exactly why you got a reply with the "let's teach them what was the game going to accomplish". I actually get more pissed (and sure bragging) when the game do what I expected it to do and get the end right withing couple hours of play. I very much prefer to be shocked and awed with something that I didn't expected but was enough hinted (like sixth sense).

And the discussion is if the game is good or not, instead of people liking it or not and marketing not being total clear. You have several clips with Joel not being show, among several things, but you'll focus on a 3s clip to claim that as most meaningful...

Like anyone that expected Joel to be a playable for a big part were already misleading themselves without any help from Sony, to the point the clip didn't even made a difference.

The hate train for this game started way before release with the leaks. You could say far more about the lengths those type of people have gone to unfairly shit on this game. If people were going in expecting a Joel and Ellie adventure, and were subsequently upset when that wasn't the case, that's not really on the developer. MGS2 got the same flak for playing as Raiden. The issue isn't with the game, it's with people's own preferences. I respect someone's opinion who has played through the game, I have no qualms with that. But please don't think I am saying this game cannot be critcised. I have never said that once. What I cannot take, is unsubstantiated criticism from people who haven't even played the game. I am not suggesting that is the case with you. I just took issue with the false advertising angle. 

Tbh I agree on this even though I'm not too bothered about it this is a valid criticism as the was a lengthy gameplay trailer that set up this expectation, ND could have easily have had the trailer stop well before that bit to not mislead people so this was a deliberate action on their part.

You do remember that there were section of the game that you had both together and that was more lenghty than the trailer right?

I really hope you aren't saying the original Star Wars movies are not masterpieces.. You have to be referring to the Prequels or the latest trilogy correct?

No movie is perfect, however in comparison to the new SW films to the old SW films, you would be in the minority if you believe the new films are simply better movies. Unless you only care for visuals and sound design improvements.

A movie is made of several parts. And sure there would be no discussion over visuals and sound being better now (which is a big portion), basically would remain story plot and acting on your use of very broad terms.

In the case of TLOU2 it truly is superior to TLOU1 in every aspect since most is technical part that is obviously superior with only story and dialogue being subjective. And in case no one proved the story is bad or anything, at most they don`t like it because of their preferences, and that isn`t enough to say the game is bad or worse than the original. We even got to a point of someone suggesting the game would be several folds better if instead of playing scenario A, B end we played chapter 1 of A, B then chapter 2, etc. Basically because they had a hard time following the story, or didn`t like to play for so long with someone they don`t like or that they felt bad playing scenario B after what they done on A.