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Nautilus said:
kirby007 said:

i agree with your view on epics behaviour but the point they make is solid gold

That they should get what they want, when they want on other people private propriety?

So what you are saying is that windows/MacOS should get 30% of every online purchase you do on amazon/ebay/etc from that device...



EDIT not even talking about the point that epic makes in the document of not even having an alternative option on that environment (ios) locking them out



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kirby007 said:
Leynos said:
Let Fortnite die

while playing fall guys eh?

I don't know what that is



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

DonFerrari said:
Nautilus said:

But the car manufacturer don't have a constant cost with maintaining a car the costumer paid for 1,2,3 years ago. If your car breaks down, (usually) you pay from your own pocket.If someone runs over a person in the car you sold to them, the car manufacturer is not responsible. If someone turns that into a bomb, the car manufacturer is not responsible, etc.

Not right. Car manufacturers have recurrent cost for warranty and maintenance, safety and modifications. If you car causes accident, is easy to steal, etc the manufacturer can and usually is subject to a civil action.

For a platform holder, you are liable to everything that goes into your platform. If someone posts something malicious, "It's Apple fault for not having a better moderation for such things!". If porn is posted where it wasn't supposed to, the headline on any paper will be " Explicit Porn was seen in Apple store, with nothing been done for hours". Not only that but you pay a team of a hundred+ engineers to keep updating and improving, not to mention the marketing you have to do to promote said platform, like I said before. And engineers are expensive, especially good ones.

And any store in the world have collaborative responsibility for what is sold there even if they only get a cut on the first purchase.

Again, there is a discussion to be had if the 30% cut is fair or not, but saying that they are not entitled to a cut, when the IOS is not only something they own, but that they fostered and devloped and spent hundreds of millions of dollars into building what it is today? Honestly, the kind of person that says stuff like these are the ones that have never been owned a bussiness, and dosen't know how hard you need to work to make it work aand how hard it is to make it work.

You own the device and paid for it, Apple keep it a hostage in a way that you can only install if they say so. If apple was having any hardship to keep profitable we could discuss this, but that really isn`t the way.

If you are unhappy about it, just go to other platforms. There are alot of platforms that dosen't have a cut and are successful enough(Android, PC in general).

I did, I don`t have an iPhone anymore, they overcharge for the HW and over control the SW. And you just proved yourself wrong with your last paragraph, if plenty of platforms can make a profit without doing what Apple is doing it shows Apple doesn`t need to do it.

Cars have 1 or 2 year warranty. And that dosen't cover everything. Once that expires, your own your own. You can have a insurance for your car, but you pay a monthly fee for it, not much different than a platform cut.You don't have a leg to stand on this example, I'm sorry.

And it's Apple business, they can do whatever they want with it. You own the device, not it's services. If you want it's services, you not to abide by it's rules. This is something you know, or should know, going into it. It's not unfair, it's their property and their rules. They are not making anyone hostage.

Apple dosen't need to do what it does, but it wants to do it because it work. It's not a matter of right or wrong. It's their freedom to choose how they run their business. It owuld be the same to say that you don't "allow" me to run my shop the way I want it. As long as I am not breaking any law, it's my shop and I do what I want with it, even if it means bankrupting it, if that's what I want.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

That they should get what they want, when they want on other people private propriety?

So what you are saying is that windows/MacOS should get 30% of every online purchase you do on amazon/ebay/etc from that device...



EDIT not even talking about the point that epic makes in the document of not even having an alternative option on that environment (ios) locking them out

If that's what they want to do then yeah, it's within their rights. It's not a matter of liking it or not.

That's the whole point. The 30% might suck for the consumers and it's an interesting debate in itself, but what you guys are suggesting is that Apple is a criminal for doing what they want with their own... business. Don't buy from them if you don't like. You can live without a phone.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

I dont say that, i merely say apple is scum aswell



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Does EGS take a cut of DLC?



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Pyro as Bill said:
Does EGS take a cut of DLC?

I know where you wanna go but read up and see the core issue the EGS has alternatives whereas these dont



 "I think people should define the word crap" - Kirby007

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kirby007 said:
I dont say that, i merely say apple is scum aswell

This I might even agree. Just not saying that Epic is right in this situation.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Pyro as Bill said:
Does EGS take a cut of DLC?

Yes they do, as every other platform. Their 10% or 15% cut(whatever it is) applies to everything sold on their platform.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

kirby007 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Does EGS take a cut of DLC?

I know where you wanna go but read up and see the core issue the EGS has alternatives whereas these dont

Android and Windows devices both allow Epic to keep 100%.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!