The real winners from all this will be lawyers.

Here are some videos from people with legal experience.

Neither company are exactly on my favorites list either.

But this horse is the one I will back depending on which outcome benefits us the consumer... And that is Epic, if they win, the consumer gets more choice.

I fail to see the logic of the people here that say it matters what epic does themselves is in anyway relevant.

Question for you, how does that invalidate the point epic makes?

Rol why do you care its not like nintendo has a big stake i mean switch 3rd parties comon bro

It's still not going to bode well for them, especially with the intent they've now shown with that FN trailer they made, during the current court case, which shows intent of defamation and Apple can actually sue for that. Intent for weaponizing an audience should also be taken into account when they decide to counter sue.

Apple has it's own brand, it's own products. It's their rules and Epic doesn't have to bother with Apple, just like how they are telling devs not to bother with GoG or Steam and even paying them to do so. They hardly have any high ground.

I've seen this tactic before, play things off like you're for everyone, but really you just want to weaken your competition so you can build yourself up into an empire (like how they are targeting movies now with their UE tech). They've called anyone bigger or richer than them a "monopoly", because those big fish are playing by standard rules or their own, and Epic wants absolutely everyone to adhere to their own rule-set, which is akin to trying to control an entire market/industry, and well, that should never be allowed. We saw what happened more than 60-70 years ago, when Disney almost had control of the movie industry, laws had to be put in place to prevent them from taking it over completely. Tim's trying to play a long game similar to that, but in a passive aggressive manner and trying to skid past the usual laws and regulations that everyone else has to adhere to (like following Apple's ToS, which they also denied for Android, as they do not firmly believe in any other ToS but their own). 

As much as I hate Apple, I hope they do not win, because that's going to set up for them basically toppling everyone and themselves climbing to the top. I know their intent and I think it's abhorrent and disgusting how some people are letting it slide. They aren't some mom & pop brand, they are a big brand with an insanely popular engine and video game. 

It doesn't, that's the thing. This is a monopolistic company denouncing another one for being even more monopolistic. Neither one is fully in the right, though. Epic can't just ignore or play around the platform's rules because they consider them bad, and Apple (and Google as well I assume, I imagine this extra paying system must be on Android as well) can't just push their weight around everyone else and don't expect anti-trust measures.

I feel like Apple has the legal upper hand in this, while Epic has the better point, but again, pot and kettle.

All this talk in here about companies having their own stores.

I hope not, it's bad enough on PC as it is, on consoles and mobile a plethora of stores and launchers would be one royal mess and the opposite of 'consumer friendly' to my experience. I want all my stuff in one place d*mnit.

Apple is such a trash company , one of the upper class worst.

(outside of their need to control for profit they are also very inhumane behind all the pretence )

Going by the words from lawyers on Youtube, I'd say Apple has the right to even counter-sue, and win. 

I seriously hope those in favour of Epic look at what lawyers are saying, because so far they are making a far better case than some rando on a gaming forum.