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Pyro as Bill said:
kirby007 said:

bad reasoning, there are plenty of free apps in the store

30% of 0 is still 0 and user data isn't worthless.

If Epic wanted to release a physical version of Fortnite but give it away for free, would you be surprised if a brick and mortar store refused to stock the game?

again, they still get the user data from games with in app purchase even without getting the direct monetary benefits, sorry but you totally miss the point and your example does not work



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DonFerrari said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Google and Apple said it was 30%. Epic decided it was 0%.

Would you blame a b+m store if they refused to stock a free game?

You missed where I said from the download not from the in-app purchases.

Nope I wouldn`t. Apple and Google decided they allow free game to be stored though.

On condition they get a cut of in-app purchases.

If they didn't get a cut of those, you can see how easy it would be to abuse can't you?

Eg One player cloned 22 times for free FIFA unless you buy the $60 in-app purchase.

Imagine what would happen to consoles if they could only survive on their 1st party ga-...

Nevermind. Ignore everything I said. I'm Team Epic now.



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kirby007 said:
twintail said:

Perhaps so. I believe it might be possible on Android? 

Don't get me wrong. I think 30% is a lot of money and options are always good. But I'm not going to side with a billion dollar company over a money issue.

If they didn't like the terms they shouldn't have released an iOS version of the game in the first place.

but they dont sue for money??? they sue for being forced to use apple storefront ( and if you aint on the IOS platform you miss out on a "free" part of the market )

They just don't want to pay 30%. It's that simple.

Do you not recall that Fortnite android originally didn't launch through the Google store? And it completely bombed. Once they moved to the Google store their numbers and revenue skyrocketed. 



kirby007 said:
twintail said:

Perhaps so. I believe it might be possible on Android? 

Don't get me wrong. I think 30% is a lot of money and options are always good. But I'm not going to side with a billion dollar company over a money issue.

If they didn't like the terms they shouldn't have released an iOS version of the game in the first place.

but they dont sue for money??? they sue for being forced to use apple storefront ( and if you aint on the IOS platform you miss out on a "free" part of the market )

Is Epic being forced to launch their game on the IOS? Didn't know that...



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Nautilus said:
kirby007 said:

but they dont sue for money??? they sue for being forced to use apple storefront ( and if you aint on the IOS platform you miss out on a "free" part of the market )

Is Epic being forced to launch their game on the IOS? Didn't know that...

Well now you do



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kirby007 said:
Nautilus said:

Is Epic being forced to launch their game on the IOS? Didn't know that...

Well now you do

Then I have to thank you for making me less ignorant. Damn filthy captalist and it's awesome and entising products, forcing people hands like this...



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Pyro as Bill said:
DonFerrari said:

You missed where I said from the download not from the in-app purchases.

Nope I wouldn`t. Apple and Google decided they allow free game to be stored though.

On condition they get a cut of in-app purchases.

If they didn't get a cut of those, you can see how easy it would be to abuse can't you?

Eg One player cloned 22 times for free FIFA unless you buy the $60 in-app purchase.

Imagine what would happen to consoles if they could only survive on their 1st party ga-...

Nevermind. Ignore everything I said. I'm Team Epic now.

There are plenty of apps that don`t offer any in-app purchase or have ads. Still allowed though.

As I said I would be fine if they decided they wanted let`s say 5 bucks per download made on the app, what I`m not ok with is they asking for perpetuity.



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shikamaru317 said:

I must say Epic seems to be playing this whole thing smart, at least in the long term. The game being removed from the Google and Apple store may actually work in their favor long term, now all the teens and young adults who are angry about being locked out of the game, and the parents of kids who are whining their parents heads off because they are locked out of the game, will flood social media, running a free smear campaign against Google and Apple for Epic. It might be enough to get Google and Apple to lower the percentage on their cut or make other policy changes just to avoid the negative publicity from the social media smear campaign, without this thing ever going to court. Of course, it could also blow up in Epic's face totally, Google and Apple might not back down to the social media mob, and Epic will lose out on months worth of Fortnite mobile revenue and lose their court case as well and have to pay the legal fees.

It's not really smart, it's one guy trying to use his company to actively defame other companies and abusing the public in a way of fooling them into fighting on his behalf. It's absolutely asinine to see something of this level, even with court proceedings going on, and he had this planned before this second case, because he likely knew the outcome and he still went for it.

There should be rules to goading consumers into fighting your own fucking petty wars. he shouldn't be able to dictate the whole fucking tech industries standards, so he can circumvent them and abuse things to his end, that's not how this should work. I know damn well this man is a slimy lying stain on humanity, because the moment everyone lowers their cut and adhere's to his demands, it becomes a moment where he's in control and then he'll raise whenever he wants. I've seen this shit being played throughout history. Try to appeal to the crowd as the underdog, score a few wins, fool the crowd and before you know it you're the one running the show, but not for the good of the people, but for oneself.

If anything, Apple and Google should sue Epic for defamation, and I would strongly urge the courts to make a new law for this sort of tactic, because it should be illegal for a corp to goad it's customers into fighting bullshit wars. The only time we should give a shit, is when X store closes down and they have no backup plan for our products or warranties/money invested, not some shitty smear campaign so X company can get a lower cut, use networks and services entirely for free, and then topple the competition swiftly.

If this entirely works in Epic's favour, then this world be damned, plain and simple. It's a shitty, disgusting tactic and anyone using it should honestly be put in the loony bin, or behind bars at the very least. (I've extremely low tolerance to that kind of tactic, because it's the scummiest shit, akin to Victorian era dismantle tactics)



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The world is so fucked up that it needed Epic to fight for consumer rights. Of course, just like with their own store, their motives are 100% selfish and capitalist driven but if something good comes out of it I have to root for them.

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