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OTBWY said:
RolStoppable said:

They aren't being given the benefit of the doubt because the usual outcome is crunch, regardless of what a studio head says. Microsoft will need Halo Infinite sooner than later, especially because there are no other new games that can fill its spot.

It's all conjecture since for one, they already acknowledged the problem of crunch before and specifically talked about how to address it, and two, hiring more hands to help rather gives an indication of the opposite. So I am still waiting on something that indicates this delay is paired with crunch. Unless of course someone makes the argument that all delays have crunch, which is weak (and a generalization). 

That article is all wishful thinking imo. Literally after every release we did, management said things are going to change, we'll plan better, make better tools, not announce too early etc etc, we're going to avoid crunch next time. An article from the head of a studio, that's pure conjecture, it's nothing but empty promises until someone working there actually comes out and says there is no crunch. The burden of proof is on the studio, benefit of the doubt has created this culture where crunch has become the modus operandi of software development. It's been known for many years how to address it, but it always comes down to, we want the best product asap.

Hiring more hands late in a software development cycle adds complexity. Those new people need to be brought up to speed, their work checked, integrated, new team dynamics, more stress.

The fact that the time window for the delay is literally 12 months is a huge red flag. But maybe they know it will still need a year in the oven without working the team to the ground, but don't want to say that so close to the launch of the XSX. That's about as far as I will go with benefit of doubt. No crunch on the flagship title to launch a new console generation, crunch happens for far far less.



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taus90 said:

a delayed game in no way shape or form makes a good game.. there is a difference between a delayed game from miyamoto and 343, if that was not the case then crackdown and driveclub wouldnt have flopped, developer pedigree matters, 343 haven't proven their worth yet to get that distinction. 

Correct. Rather a delayed game they gets more development time and investment will typically be improved upon over what it was originally.

343i we need to keep in mind haven't actually made a "shit" game yet, they have had games which came short of Halo's high's however, but for all intents and purposes, they were still solid offerings.

taus90 said:

high quality assets! where? those where some basic current gen assets rendered in 4k, missing shaders, flat lightning, pop in all over the place, even in cut scenes banished model looked way low quality even by a current gen standard.

"some" high quality assets. Chiefs armour is definitely high resolution, so was some of the environmental texturing.

There is reason why the lighting is flat and that is because of the current lighting model being employed... But rather than have myself rehash all of this, I'll just post a video from digital foundry who have given us a more empirical breakdown for you to wet your appetite on.

But yes, TLDR, there is some fantastic texture and mesh work, can't forget to mention the specular highlights and more that is going on.


That doesn't mean it doesn't have technical shortcomings, far from it, I have been extremely vocal about those even with the engine technology demonstration a year or two ago where I questioned some of the sprite work.

taus90 said:

pulling off halo 3 styled success, do u remember why halo3 was a system seller, a.) it was coming off just 3 years from a very well received halo 2 SP and MP, b) and true next gen Halo game. the hype even in pre youtube and twitter era was palpable.. I doubt MS/343 can recreate that hype considering their previous product was like 7 years ago and not very good. even if the game turns out to be good still it wont have halo3 level of pre release hype..

They can do it if they truly wow us. But that hasn't happened in years.




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The "it will be fixed in 4 months" crowd can take a seat now. I expect the game to be delayed until at least the second half of 2021, it isn't bold to expect it for 2021 holidays, the game looks absolutely horrendous in its current state. 



Can't lie, though. I know it takes years to make a AAA game but after the last year or so (though I absolutely loved Gears 5), I was hoping Microsoft would hit the ground running with the XSX. They've got a fair amount to be excited about but this isn't a good look for them.



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Bandorr said:
LurkerJ said:

The "it will be fixed in 4 months" crowd can take a seat now. I expect the game to be delayed until at least the second half of 2021, it isn't bold to expect it for 2021 holidays, the game looks absolutely horrendous in its current state. 

I expect Holiday 2021 because they need to make it shine.   Like sparkle brighter than a diamond.  They can't just get it up and running it needs to be the pinnacle of halo games.

Oh infact.. do you think they will drop last gen?  Next-gen Halo and next-gen Forza released closed to each other would tip the scales.

People would forgive and forget for a combo like that.

after all the noise they made about being pro consumer and all that trash, I highly doubt they will drop the x1. So even if it takes a whole extra year, the anchor that is the x1 will still limit how much better this game can look. 



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goopy20 said:

What baffles me the most is how out of touch MS seems to be with what they're showcasing. First they publicly apologize for the May event, saying they learned from it and that they would do better in July. Then they build the whole July event around Halo Infinite, and again they are apologizing, and now even delaying their flagship launch title. Its like they don't know what they're doing and are caught by surprise by the terrible feed back they're getting from the gaming community.

I'm telling yas, their cross gen strategy is biting them in the ass and they're finally starting to realize that 4k and 120fps just isn't good enough. I just hope they can still turn things around and drop the whole "we're not leaving anyone behind" thing.

They apologized for mis-advertising May. If they labelled it as a small scale showcase with low expectations instead of “first glimpse of Series X gameplay” then there be no backlash. 

Halo was the front runner but the whole point of July was to showcase 1st party games. While people were quick to comment on the lack of gameplay in the trailers, the “Halo Gears Forza” narrative is dead as we now know of plenty variety in development. The lack of gameplay narrative is a temporary one. Good riddance to that tired insult. 

Halo being delayed is them being in touch. You got it all wrong. They know they have their work cut out and will delay the game to meet fan demand. Now 2021 will continue Xbox momentum when Halo launches at its potential. 

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zero129 said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the thing, he say he isn't a fan of any brand, very neutral and against console warfare.

And sorry but if anyone was trying to say Gears or even Halo aren't that good of game but is excited by all Sony games released this gen including Knack (that sure I found funny but can't say it was a reason to buy a console) would be met with joke.

Sales2099 is pretty straight forward on this, he really have a taste where the best of Sony doesn't make he want to play them but every single Xbox exclusive entices him, Ludicrous never play straight.

I'm still waiting for him to acknowledge that Series X is holding down the crossgen MS have showed, since he have been fighting Goopy on this for several months, but after the latest event he didn't say a thing.

I thought i done a pretty good job of clearing this up for you.

How many games shown was cross gen?, how many of them cross gen games was AAA?.

Id only expect cross gen to start holding back AAA productions around 2022-23 and thats only if it was a massive open world game fully designed around the XBSX to begin with. But lucky cross gen will end before it would effect any of the games that it possibly could effect.

After all we have pretty good examples of how engines can scale on PC.

Sure you have said it. Still have MS show any game that was crossgen and looked great? Nope.

Have they proved that Halo Infinite was being made from ground up to take advantage of XSX HW? Nope.

You can claim that they didn`t show much crossgen or AAA titles, but them you would have to guess why not? Because they know that it cost manpower and anchor the game.



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goopy20 said:

What baffles me the most is how out of touch MS seems to be with what they're showcasing. First they publicly apologize for the May event, saying they learned from it and that they would do better in July. Then they build the whole July event around Halo Infinite, and again they are apologizing, and now even delaying their flagship launch title. Its like they don't know what they're doing and are caught by surprise by the terrible feed back they're getting from the gaming community.

I'm telling yas, their cross gen strategy is biting them in the ass and they're finally starting to realize that 4k and 120fps just isn't good enough. I just hope they can still turn things around and drop the whole "we're not leaving anyone behind" thing.

4k and 120FPS not good enough, LOL

Quality post per usual. Also did you miss the showcase where most of what they showed said XSX/PC exclusive? 



padib said:
eva01beserk said:

after all the noise they made about being pro consumer and all that trash, I highly doubt they will drop the x1. So even if it takes a whole extra year, the anchor that is the x1 will still limit how much better this game can look. 

I agree, they're pretty committed, I doubt it's trash to be honest.

Looks like next gen will be fun to watch.

Well pushing hardware at release has been done for decades by all manufactures including MS. Everyone had  eclusive new gen games along side crosgen games. So them going now and saying that its anti consumer is just PR spin trash. The same with the controller compatibility. 



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