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How Would You Rate The Xbox Game Showcase?

10 9 5.26%
 
9 11 6.43%
 
8 32 18.71%
 
7 19 11.11%
 
6 35 20.47%
 
5 24 14.04%
 
4 19 11.11%
 
3 11 6.43%
 
2 7 4.09%
 
1 4 2.34%
 
Total:171
eva01beserk on 25 July 2020
EpicRandy said:
eva01beserk said:

Im not telling you gamepass is a bad service or not worth the money. Im telling you that if you want a netflix kind of service, you should expect a netflix level of content. Netflix does not kick out massive blockbuster one after the other. They make very few interesting originals, then a ass load of filler smaller level content and third party hits that are long past its excitement phase and everyone has already seen it. 

Already said it multyple times, thouse 3 games will not be gimped. It will probably be the big guns that will carry the service, im sure there will be a few others but the majority of the content you can receive has to be lower budget to acomodate the service.

I was never into xbox and would have never bought an xbox, but their games are not exclusive to xbox i could play them on pc if they where good. and of that showcase the only game I thinking off is fable and we saw nothing of it, but I loved the first one and hope its good.

The thing is blockbuster movie/series cost way more than AAA games to make. So the same kind of subscription service will probably produce more AAA than Netflix can produce Blockbuster. Not to mention filler are not a bad thing. I spend more time gaming on Stardew Valley, Don't Starve, Factorio, Oxygen not included, Banished than any AAA over the the last few years. 

But I have no issue at all with smaller games. My issue is with people actually buying into MS pr about them shooting for 3-4 AAA games a year. Thats just not happening ad long as gamepass is their goal.

And AAA games are getting really costly. Games like call of duty cost like 50m to make and 4x more on marketing. We have rumors of Destiny costing 500m with all. Rockstar games also float around 500m. Big AAA games are really expensive now. While movies are probably more expensive I don't think regular shows are more expensive than even average AAA games.



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Runa216 on 25 July 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txm_LnQH73Q



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EpicRandy on 25 July 2020
eva01beserk said:
EpicRandy said:

The thing is blockbuster movie/series cost way more than AAA games to make. So the same kind of subscription service will probably produce more AAA than Netflix can produce Blockbuster. Not to mention filler are not a bad thing. I spend more time gaming on Stardew Valley, Don't Starve, Factorio, Oxygen not included, Banished than any AAA over the the last few years. 

But I have no issue at all with smaller games. My issue is with people actually buying into MS pr about them shooting for 3-4 AAA games a year. Thats just not happening ad long as gamepass is their goal.

And AAA games are getting really costly. Games like call of duty cost like 50m to make and 4x more on marketing. We have rumors of Destiny costing 500m with all. Rockstar games also float around 500m. Big AAA games are really expensive now. While movies are probably more expensive I don't think regular shows are more expensive than even average AAA games.

500M for destiny franchise was including expected cost of infras support for 10 years and marketing cost.

Rokstar GTA 500M budget for GTAV is far from the norm and was only possible because there were basicaly no risk in doing so.

I'll say 40M to 100M (including marketing) is probably where the vast majority of AAA is.

Marketing cost could also be dramatically lowered with Gamepass, I hardly ever saw commercial for netflix content. Investment into other project might just be a better marketing investment in the long run than pure marketing investment in this model.

I say 3-4 AAA/year is not out of questions, far from it. All will depends on mass adoptions of the service, right now it's 10M+ which should bring about 1B$+ in revenue/year depending on how revenue are split between AAA, AA, third party deals and operating cost (which I doubt are that high) it could already be enough 3-4 AAA.

The key here is how Microsoft will bring Game pass from a 10m subribers to 20m, 50m, 100m and for this aspect the Showcase give a great insight. It basically tell Microsoft will not shy away from investment into Gamepass.



sales2099 on 25 July 2020

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Last edited by sales2099 - on 25 July 2020

Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 25 July 2020
eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

I ain’t telling you to wait for GP. It’s been awesome for a while now. 10 million steady subs is a lot of income. When it hits 20...I don’t see how you could scoff at that revenue. Devs pay to be on GP btw. Gamers recommend games to friends who don’t have GP, leading to increased sales. Increased DLC purchases because people allready feel that got the base game for “free”. Your stance on GP is concern trolling at worst. To argue against it is to advocate spending hundreds more per year is good for gamers. There is no evidence of big games like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 being gimped in quality. Each has the features of previous IP instalments. 

Not sure what your last point is referring to. Either way I just see gamers that aren’t into Xbox wanting AAA games now now now when that clearly isn’t realistic for games that started development in mid 2018. 

Im not telling you gamepass is a bad service or not worth the money. Im telling you that if you want a netflix kind of service, you should expect a netflix level of content. Netflix does not kick out massive blockbuster one after the other. They make very few interesting originals, then a ass load of filler smaller level content and third party hits that are long past its excitement phase and everyone has already seen it. 

Already said it multyple times, thouse 3 games will not be gimped. It will probably be the big guns that will carry the service, im sure there will be a few others but the majority of the content you can receive has to be lower budget to acomodate the service.

I was never into xbox and would have never bought an xbox, but their games are not exclusive to xbox i could play them on pc if they where good. and of that showcase the only game I thinking off is fable and we saw nothing of it, but I loved the first one and hope its good.

Nobody is denying that they doing smaller games to pad out the years. It’s when people say the AAA games will be gimped that I take issue. GP needs both to keep people on it. If we can agree on that then we good here. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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sales2099 on 25 July 2020
Runa216 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txm_LnQH73Q

Bullet points? No essays plz and thx. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Shaunodon on 25 July 2020
shikamaru317 said:
Did the math on the poll above, average so far is 6.03/10. That's really not too bad considering that Xbox has the smallest fanbase on VGC.

Not sure how I should feel about falling right on the average, but oh well.

Supports my belief that objectively, you shouldn't call it a 'bad presentation'. You're welcome to not like or say it doesn't appeal to you, but Microsoft, at least, did enough. At least by overall consensus.

Glad that they've improved since last gen, and looking forward to see how they keep improving moving forward.



JRPGfan on 25 July 2020
sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:
Halo infinite beta was cancelled due to backlash. And the only possitive thing fans are saying is that all games will be on gamepass. This is not a good look after the dissaster that the x1 was. While 9th gen is probably not starting as bad as the 8th gen for ms, it does not seem to be much better. On the other side Sony has more hype than in 8th gen. So this is gona be one sided again.

That’s quite the conclusion to jump to. Xbox essentially eliminated the “Halo Gears Forza” narrative and was now replaced with “Xbox games are CG no gameplay”. That’s a win, because the new narrative you guys cooked up...it’s temporary. They will have gameplay, it’s inevitable. Also guarantees mid gen Xbox support. Usually Xbox exclusives taper off, now we know they will have a steady stream of exclusives all gen long. Given this logic I simply see your point of view as short sighted and judging at a glance. 

Also just because we didn’t see their whole portfolio, doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Gears Tactics and Flight SIM for Series X, Age of Empires 3/4, Battletoads, Wasteland 3, Forza Horizon 5. Long term games like InXiles AAA rpg and The Initiatives IP. 

Xbox eliminates the Halo Gears Forza narrative. They eliminate the “Xbox has no exclusives in the mid/late gen” narrative. Lockhart will have the price advantage Xbox One didn’t have in 2013. Series X will have the power advantage among non cross gen games. Game Pass is an insane deal that Sony won’t do unless they desperate to compete. 

Funny you came to a different conclusion because “mah trailers too much CG”. Huh. 

I'm with sales on this one.
Nothing can be worse than tv,tv,tv,sports,tv,halo,tv,tv... and forced kinect, and 100$ more expensive for 41% less performance.
That said the first 6 months of xbox one, it had decent games. It was the one time where it basically outshined the PS4, after that, on the games front, its been PS4 beating the XB1 all gen long. Those polices the XB1 was going to have, was a major blow too.

Xbox series x, while haveing a slightly dissapointing Halo showing, still looks much better off than it did with the XB1 imo.
Halo going games as a service (upto ~10 year lifecycle), with a destiny esque approch isnt so bad.
I supposed if you wanted a single player experiance from halo, your outta luck.
There likely wont be a single player halo campagne type game all gen on the series x.


"Xbox essentially eliminated the “Halo Gears Forza” narrative and was now replaced with “Xbox games are CG no gameplay”. That’s a win,..."

Honestly yes it is.
Fable and whatever InXiles are cooking up, I'm atleast abit intrested in.
Last gen, there wasn't really anything on the xbox side that sparked much intrest.



hinch on 25 July 2020
shikamaru317 said:
Did the math on the poll above, average so far is 6.03/10. That's really not too bad considering that Xbox has the smallest fanbase on VGC.

It probably falls down to the audience and what Xbox is going to offer in the near future with their new console and games. The announcements may have more weight to it for people already in the Xbox ecosystem. I see quite a few people really happy with the announcements and being able to play their exclusives day 1 on Game Pass.

People outside that ecosystem (Playstation/PC/Nintendo or non gamers) it may be a bit more critical due to them not showing enough to what they have to offer.

If I were into GaaS and Gamepass I would probably rate it higher, but I'm not so. Pretty interesting though.

Last edited by hinch - on 25 July 2020

eva01beserk on 25 July 2020
EpicRandy said:
eva01beserk said:

But I have no issue at all with smaller games. My issue is with people actually buying into MS pr about them shooting for 3-4 AAA games a year. Thats just not happening ad long as gamepass is their goal.

And AAA games are getting really costly. Games like call of duty cost like 50m to make and 4x more on marketing. We have rumors of Destiny costing 500m with all. Rockstar games also float around 500m. Big AAA games are really expensive now. While movies are probably more expensive I don't think regular shows are more expensive than even average AAA games.

500M for destiny franchise was including expected cost of infras support for 10 years and marketing cost.

Rokstar GTA 500M budget for GTAV is far from the norm and was only possible because there were basicaly no risk in doing so.

I'll say 40M to 100M (including marketing) is probably where the vast majority of AAA is.

Marketing cost could also be dramatically lowered with Gamepass, I hardly ever saw commercial for netflix content. Investment into other project might just be a better marketing investment in the long run than pure marketing investment in this model.

I say 3-4 AAA/year is not out of questions, far from it. All will depends on mass adoptions of the service, right now it's 10M+ which should bring about 1B$+ in revenue/year depending on how revenue are split between AAA, AA, third party deals and operating cost (which I doubt are that high) it could already be enough 3-4 AAA.

The key here is how Microsoft will bring Game pass from a 10m subribers to 20m, 50m, 100m and for this aspect the Showcase give a great insight. It basically tell Microsoft will not shy away from investment into Gamepass.

True, with the right number of subs it can happen and even more than they promised. But to get there you first need the content to bring the subs, but need the subs to bring the content and so on. So take a massive loss now, or they have been taking a massive loss already. Cant know, they wont say.

Well how much do you think the average movie cost? Its only the marvels and so on that cost hundreds of millions. The average movie is also under $100m. How about the average show? I cant say that I know. After a quick search I saw it cost 2-3m per episode. seasons are between 12-24 episodes so it could cost 24-36m on a 12 episode season. the first season of the witcher cost $200m. thats one of the highest if im not mistaken. So the average show and movie still cost what the average AA game cost. ANd AAA cost could be around big blockbuster movies and big shows like the witcher. 



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