38,612 
You mean the company that went from 21 mio. to 23 mio. to 10 mio. to 9 mio. with their 4 consoles in their home country despite always having all Japanese 3rd party developers on board?
| RolStoppable said: Reason 1: Selective memory. The PS3 needs proper acknowledgement and it was a failure. It couldn't win its generation despite Sony buying lots of market share. If you look at it in the most superficial way, then the PS3's sales numbers suggest that the console didn't do bad in comparison to the PS1, PS2 and PS4, but once you proceed to the next layer, you begin to realize how huge the difference is. Reason 2: Nintendo's inability to understand their own position and at times deliberate denial to comprehend it; this is how they knocked themselves out repeatedly. Nintendo wouldn't have a problem to compete, but their developers don't seem to like the terms and that in turn makes Nintendo fail to realize their potential. Remember, this is the company who sits on a 30-year-streak of domination in the portable console market (in other words, since its inception), so success is not something that is tied to luck for Nintendo. Here's an abridged, but still kind long version of how Nintendo gets it right and wrong: The N64 used cartridges as its storage medium, so production costs of copies required a higher financial investment for third parties; the N64 had a far lower amount of games than the PS1 which it lost to. The GC switched to an optical medium and eliminated the problem of the preceding generation; its total game count went up by ~50% in comparison to the N64, but its hardware sales went down by ~50%, again in comparison to the N64. The conventional wisdom always dictates that Nintendo needs to appease third parties more, but sales data completely contradicts that notion. This is why Nintendo looked beyond only two generations to find a fix for their declining home console sales and came up with the Wii. The gist of it is that it was never the loss of third party games to other consoles that did the major damage to Nintendo's sales, but Nintendo's oversights in first party game development. What made Nintendo big in the first place? Their DNA as an arcade game company, from Donkey Kong to Mario Bros., proceeding to simple sports games (look it up, titles like Golf, Tennis and Baseball were notable hits on the NES) and culminating in Super Mario Bros. which made Nintendo a household name worldwide. All the SMB games sold like hot cakes and moved Nintendo hardware, then on the SNES Donkey Kong made a huge comeback too in the form of another 2D platformer: Donkey Kong Country. At the time SMB and DKC were Nintendo's biggest brands; the Nintendo 64 didn't see a sequel to either series. It seems completely absurd that a console manufacturer would voluntarily forego to make sequels to their biggest games, but that's what Nintendo did. With the GC, Nintendo went another step further and wrecked the replacements for their former biggest series. Neither Super Mario Sunshine, The Wind Waker or Double Dash!! could catch on. The Wii was the necessary correction which is why it was so big as long as Nintendo kept making games for it. Wii Sports and Wii Play were tributes to hits of the early video game era; the Virtual Console gave recognition to the time before everything had to be 3D; proper sequels were made to key franchises like SMB, Mario Kart, SSB, 3D Mario, Zelda and DKC. For a few years it appeared as if Nintendo truly understood what the market expects from them and none of that had to do with third parties. But then Nintendo turned around and pretended that the Wii never happened and delivered the console that the conventional wisdom I mentioned two paragraphs above dictated. If Nintendo had cared the slightest bit about sales data, the Wii U would have never been conceived. The Wii U was a bigger failure than even the GC and at the same time Nintendo's dominance in the portable console market didn't yield a lot of profits either, because there too Nintendo couldn't be bothered to consider sales data and decided to go all-in with stereoscopic 3D. During those dark hours Nintendo once again remembered what they should be about, so the NES and SNES Classic consoles were made. At no point was Switch a console that the major AAA third party publishers would have ever approved of, but that's exactly why Switch is such a big hit. Nintendo's place is not the one of playing PC games on a console, what the market wants and expects from Nintendo are the descendants of the arcade spirit. Long story short, as long as Nintendo sticks with what they should be about, they can compete with Sony's level of console sales. The big question is if Nintendo's business side keeps their developers in check instead of granting them too much freedom. |
Agree... the last bastion of arcade games in a dedicated videogame. great text. Nintendo must focus in their roots.
1) Excellent 1st and 3rd party support
2) great prices for games, both physical and digital formats
3) Variety, you can find games for almost all genres.
4) They are consistent.
I know that fans from other companies will say that it’s because the other console manufactures screwed so bad and blah blah, but even with probably the worst launch in history like the PS3 (high price, complexity of the hardware and many more) Sony managed to sell 88 million units worldwide.
| sethnintendo said: They chose the right popular media finally after a lot of previous failures like betamax. So choosing CDs for PS1, DVDs for PS2 and then Blu Ray for PS3 helped a lot. Also they had insane third party support and their first party exclusives are usually really good. |
Except first party in PS1 era is not that we can say great or amazing compared to Nintendo and Sega. The strong point of PS1 are on third party , every third party become the first party for them (almost most of them). Saturn was good in Japan but never got strong support in US , N64 was also bad with third party but still got some exclusives deal with third party in US.
The rest i am agree.
Just an all round console that does good in most areas and great in others. Kind of like the jack of all trades. Playstation: good first party, great third party. Nintendo: great first party, bad third party. Xbox: average first party, average third party.
You can't ever make a thread like that and not get the Sony got lucky 3 of 4 gens and the like.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
Soundwave said:
Yeah probably still into the mid/late-90s, "Nintendo" was used as a generic term for every video game by a lot of parents. Playstation did eventually break that. |
From what European forum users say here saying Playstation to mean any gaming system is the default over there, perhaps in USA older people say Nintendo. In Brazil though I only remember people using videogame for generic.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
| DonFerrari said: You can't ever make a thread like that and not get the Sony got lucky 3 of 4 gens and the like. |
Given that Wii was a fluke and DS was Nintendo striking gold, you'd be forgiven for thinking Switch is the first time Nintendo has intentionally made a console with mass market appeal for 20-30 years.
It's an underrated quality but Sony is consistently consistent. Nintendo and MS will both base the whole console/company around a gimmick whereas Sony stays on course and treats them as add-ons.
Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)
Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!
Pyro as Bill said:
Given that Wii was a fluke and DS was Nintendo striking gold, you'd be forgiven for thinking Switch is the first time Nintendo has intentionally made a console with mass market appeal for 20-30 years. It's an underrated quality but Sony is consistently consistent. Nintendo and MS will both base the whole console/company around a gimmick whereas Sony stays on course and treats them as add-ons. |
I don't consider Wii a fluke. Nintendo was clearly intending to go for that crowd and designed the system that way and removed it from direct competition. Sure we can say it was one hell of a gamble since no one had tried it before (or at least suceeded), but it wasn't an accident at all.
About DS, it sure is freak to see it doing over 150M while its competitor was like 80M, never happened before and probably won't again. But from what I remember Nintendo HH were increasing their userbase with each iteration and when DS changed the concept of their HH line it made everyone get one system and it done gangbuster.
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
Hynad said:
Which is...? |
people dont need innovation or new shit, they gladly pay for more of the same
which is why remakes and remasters do so well aswell
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