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KLAMarine said:
Replicant said:

It's common knowledge that you never had any interest in this game to begin with.

Let it go man. Move on with your life. There are more important battles to fight.

On the contrary, this whole debacle makes me more interested. As an aspiring writer, I want to dissect this story and pin-point what went wrong and learn what NOT to do when writing a story.

Nothing went wrong story wise . You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?  I don't think you went in with the right perspective frame of mind.  Why do you think there are people who love it and hate it?  Why are there people who hated it initially, then loved it.  it's all psychological, your mind needs a bit of fine tuning in the right direction to really appreciate this game. 



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BraLoD said:
KLAMarine said:

"Funny to know you aspire to write and yet don't understand why something happens when you have a cutscene displaying it directly for you."

>elaborate with examples, please.

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

You were also very focused in hammering a sex scene between two people that loved each other for years and were kept apart while revenge was consuming one of them.

As a bonus unrelated to your question but very important for the mattter, you were just recommending someone to sell a game you never played and are keeping a thread of a game you don't like alive just to spread your agenda over it.

You clearly can't either comprehend what the game laid in front of your eyes neither that you have a clear set mind against it, yet you wanna criticize other people writing skills while trying to be a writer yourself, with zero respect and understanding of their work.

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

No, I'm aware the game provides an explanation. The problem is I don't buy the explanation given. I don't find it believable that

Spoiler!

Ellie would be that angry at Joel over him saving her life. I recall Ellie having abandonment issues in the first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Csw8G6yruE), I'd have expected Ellie would be somewhat elated Joel refused to abandon her on the surgery table.

KratosLives said:
KLAMarine said:

On the contrary, this whole debacle makes me more interested. As an aspiring writer, I want to dissect this story and pin-point what went wrong and learn what NOT to do when writing a story.

Nothing went wrong story wise . You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?  I don't think you went in with the right perspective frame of mind.  Why do you think there are people who love it and hate it?  Why are there people who hated it initially, then loved it.  it's all psychological, your mind needs a bit of fine tuning in the right direction to really appreciate this game. 

"You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?"

>Oh gee, guess that must mean she can do no wrong.



KLAMarine said:
BraLoD said:
Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

You were also very focused in hammering a sex scene between two people that loved each other for years and were kept apart while revenge was consuming one of them.

As a bonus unrelated to your question but very important for the mattter, you were just recommending someone to sell a game you never played and are keeping a thread of a game you don't like alive just to spread your agenda over it.

You clearly can't either comprehend what the game laid in front of your eyes neither that you have a clear set mind against it, yet you wanna criticize other people writing skills while trying to be a writer yourself, with zero respect and understanding of their work.

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

No, I'm aware the game provides an explanation. The problem is I don't buy the explanation given. I don't find it believable that

Spoiler!

Ellie would be that angry at Joel over him saving her life. I recall Ellie having abandonment issues in the first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Csw8G6yruE), I'd have expected Ellie would be somewhat elated Joel refused to abandon her on the surgery table.

KratosLives said:

Nothing went wrong story wise . You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?  I don't think you went in with the right perspective frame of mind.  Why do you think there are people who love it and hate it?  Why are there people who hated it initially, then loved it.  it's all psychological, your mind needs a bit of fine tuning in the right direction to really appreciate this game. 

"You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?"

>Oh gee, guess that must mean she can do no wrong.

Oh gee, I guess you can do no wrong.




KLAMarine said:
BraLoD said:
Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

You were also very focused in hammering a sex scene between two people that loved each other for years and were kept apart while revenge was consuming one of them.

As a bonus unrelated to your question but very important for the mattter, you were just recommending someone to sell a game you never played and are keeping a thread of a game you don't like alive just to spread your agenda over it.

You clearly can't either comprehend what the game laid in front of your eyes neither that you have a clear set mind against it, yet you wanna criticize other people writing skills while trying to be a writer yourself, with zero respect and understanding of their work.

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

No, I'm aware the game provides an explanation. The problem is I don't buy the explanation given. I don't find it believable that

Spoiler!

Ellie would be that angry at Joel over him saving her life. I recall Ellie having abandonment issues in the first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Csw8G6yruE), I'd have expected Ellie would be somewhat elated Joel refused to abandon her on the surgery table.

KratosLives said:

Nothing went wrong story wise . You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?  I don't think you went in with the right perspective frame of mind.  Why do you think there are people who love it and hate it?  Why are there people who hated it initially, then loved it.  it's all psychological, your mind needs a bit of fine tuning in the right direction to really appreciate this game. 

"You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?"

>Oh gee, guess that must mean she can do no wrong.

You not buying or not agreeing means nill, she wasn't angry to be saved but to be lied and that he chose to sacrifice the whole world and killed doctors to rescue her and that she prefered to die to save the rest, and she was already suspicious in TLOU1.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KLAMarine said:
BraLoD said:
Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

You were also very focused in hammering a sex scene between two people that loved each other for years and were kept apart while revenge was consuming one of them.

As a bonus unrelated to your question but very important for the mattter, you were just recommending someone to sell a game you never played and are keeping a thread of a game you don't like alive just to spread your agenda over it.

You clearly can't either comprehend what the game laid in front of your eyes neither that you have a clear set mind against it, yet you wanna criticize other people writing skills while trying to be a writer yourself, with zero respect and understanding of their work.

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

No, I'm aware the game provides an explanation. The problem is I don't buy the explanation given. I don't find it believable that

Spoiler!

Ellie would be that angry at Joel over him saving her life. I recall Ellie having abandonment issues in the first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Csw8G6yruE), I'd have expected Ellie would be somewhat elated Joel refused to abandon her on the surgery table.

Spoiler!

Why would it not be believable? Right after that Ellie goes question him why he were still trying to protect here when she said she didn't want it.

Why? Because she knew he loved her more than the whole world, that's why she was angry, she was confused and conflicted between he denying her life to be meaningful and knowing he did it out of love.

When she goes confront him after that it's very clear, again, she even tells him she don't think she can forgive him and still want to give it a try because she knows both love each other.

And that's the one of the biggest reasons she doesn't kill Abby in the end, she is still traumatizated by she brutally killing him, but she knows well he didn't want hate to consumer her, neither did she, that's not who she is, never was, as Abby was now freed from revenge herself she changed like Joel, now she was Joel for Levi, and Ellie didn't want that cycle to keep on.

The amount of connections in every single piece of their characters and story is very well constructed and laid to the player during the game, it's not hard to see, at all.

I was played by the game from being disgustedly mad to have to play with Abby for some time and by the time I was finishing the game I was saying in real life for Ellie to not kill Abby when I didn't know she would let her go, I have only to applaud to ND team on every level for the story they developed with this game.

I'm really glad I have zero spoilers about anything about this game, like the first one, and had a complete self experience without influence of anyone on anything, because of this naysayism about such a greatly structured game on every level, from people that didn't even play or want to play the game trying to private others from such an amazing game is a real shame.

Every person that miss the chance to have a genuine experience on this game because of people like this, mounting a campaign against it even before it released, makes me really sad.



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DonFerrari said:
KLAMarine said:

Spoiler!
You were confused why Ellie was mad with Joel after she said in an earlier cutscene that they were done for after discovering he lied for her for years and choose to kill her change of being the cure to the world.

No, I'm aware the game provides an explanation. The problem is I don't buy the explanation given. I don't find it believable that

Spoiler!

Ellie would be that angry at Joel over him saving her life. I recall Ellie having abandonment issues in the first game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Csw8G6yruE), I'd have expected Ellie would be somewhat elated Joel refused to abandon her on the surgery table.

"You think halley grossman is an amateur writer? have you seen her credentials?"

>Oh gee, guess that must mean she can do no wrong.

You not buying or not agreeing means nill, she wasn't angry to be saved but to be lied and that he chose to sacrifice the whole world and killed doctors to rescue her and that she prefered to die to save the rest, and she was already suspicious in TLOU1.

I've been saying this for years, here too.

The reaction in the expression on Ellie's face on the PS3 was still the most impressively realist scene on any game ever until TLoU2.

It was clear Ellie never believed him, it was only natural she would confront him to know the truth and absolutely hate what he did, including lying to her.



Hope it wins the prestigious Game of The Year award at The Game Awards.

Last edited by Dahum - on 05 September 2020

BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

You not buying or not agreeing means nill, she wasn't angry to be saved but to be lied and that he chose to sacrifice the whole world and killed doctors to rescue her and that she prefered to die to save the rest, and she was already suspicious in TLOU1.

I've been saying this for years, here too.

The reaction in the expression on Ellie's face on the PS3 was still the most impressively realist scene on any game ever until TLoU2.

It was clear Ellie never believed him, it was only natural she would confront him to know the truth and absolutely hate what he did, including lying to her.

And not to forget that from the day TLOU launched we saw people saying the sequel would be about Ellie discovering and running away or killing Joel.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
BraLoD said:

I've been saying this for years, here too.

The reaction in the expression on Ellie's face on the PS3 was still the most impressively realist scene on any game ever until TLoU2.

It was clear Ellie never believed him, it was only natural she would confront him to know the truth and absolutely hate what he did, including lying to her.

And not to forget that from the day TLOU launched we saw people saying the sequel would be about Ellie discovering and running away or killing Joel.

Ellie would never kill Joel, tho.



The game received a 75 and finally dropped to 93.
Forget 94, I was right in the end! xD

Now to all the true winners of the predictions, including me, the proper kudos too.
@BraLoD @drbunnig @Mummelmann @Eric2048 @coolharry @irvingeleniak

Also as a side not, the predictions average have also turned out to being right now.