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Pemalite said:
setsunatenshi said:

Good thing we're not talking about the SSD alone then but how it's integrated in the system's architecture. Or, to quote Tim Sweeney: "The storage architecture on the PS5 is far ahead of anything you can buy on PC for any amount of money right now. It’s going to help drive future PCs."

Btw, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to upgrade to an even faster SSD in the future as prices come down.

Also, @bolded: Why didn't Epic show it running on PC like they did in the past for their previous engines? If I'm showing my product I would want to show it in the best light possible.

Could be a variety of reasons. There could be some financial benefits put in place or development/technology sharing in order to gain more developer support for the engine, who knows.
EPIC follows the cash cows typically, hence the Epic Store, Hence why they partnered up with Microsoft once, hence why they dropped the Unreal Tournament sequel in favor of Fortnite. EPIC is a business, it's capitalism at work.

We don't know if the drive is upgradeable in the Playstation 5, it's not a commodity drive, so they may lock it down to ensure a degree of consistency with the performance, they wouldn't want people replacing it with a drive half the speed, would they?

But let's say that it theoretically was capable of being upgraded... It would be limited by the 4x PCI-E 4.0 lanes... Which tops out at 8GB/s. (Actually less in the real world due to overheads and so forth.)

Where-as PCI-E 5.0 is gaining traction in the PC space (Controllers already exist) which would offer 16GB/s on a typical nVME drive with 4x lanes.
Or get a PCI-E addon card with 16x lanes for a total of 64GB/s.

Have you watched the Cerny CES presentation? I'm pretty sure the NVME is expandable, they will only have to certify the new drives are a) fast enough and b) actually fit in the console expansion bay. So yeah, expandable and subject to certification.

On the paying narrative, this is just speculation, I'm not sure what Sony would be paying for in this regard. This was not a Sony event, it's multiplatform game engine that just happened to be run on one of the next gen consoles, specific tailored to one's strengths.

I'm staggered by the level of reaching to make this way more than it really is. We all know PC hardware will brute force through what's achievable on the PS5, it's just a matter of time and cost. At the end of the day we'll all benefit from it.



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setsunatenshi said:
kirby007 said:

1. epic gets money from sales done in the epic store
2. sony gets money from sony games sold in the epic store
3. both are in it for the money, not to give you the best for free

in the end its all about the money, why show it on hardware from a manufacturer that doesn't pay you vs showing it on next gen console specs for a certain fee

its a no brainer even if you can push the engine with a good pc right now much further why would you, if it doesnt get you paid

1. Most Sony first party studios do not use Unreal Engine (not sure about Days Gone, might be the only one)

2. Sony gets money from Sony games sold in the Steam store

3. All of them are in it for the money, not to give you stuff for free (what a useless point to make)

You show a game engine wherever it shows best. Epic is in it to wow people and inspire them to use their engine. If they could have shown better on different hardware, they would have. Was the same for all previous versions of unreal engine. Get the beefiest PC you can reasonably assemble and advertise their proprietary engine running there, boom.

You know you have bad logic when it literally applies in the one exact case it's somehow convenient to your narrative.

PS: I read through your signature and seems quite interesting how you seem to be going completely against it: "Instead of seeking to convince others, we can be open to changing our own minds, and seek out information that contradicts our own steadfast point of view. Maybe it’ll turn out that those who disagree with you actually have a solid grasp of the facts. There’s a slight possibility that, after all, you’re the one who’s wrong."

Oh the irony...

They show the demo running better on pc, and it was a notebook and it is confirm by the epic guy from China, and by this guy from DF, the ssd on ps5 was not necesary for this demo to run even better, so all this  is just PR from sony in all reality Xbox SX will be superior, but thats no bad because the Ps5 will be a great console running the same games plus exclusives.



34 years playing games.

 

setsunatenshi said:
Pemalite said:

Could be a variety of reasons. There could be some financial benefits put in place or development/technology sharing in order to gain more developer support for the engine, who knows.
EPIC follows the cash cows typically, hence the Epic Store, Hence why they partnered up with Microsoft once, hence why they dropped the Unreal Tournament sequel in favor of Fortnite. EPIC is a business, it's capitalism at work.

We don't know if the drive is upgradeable in the Playstation 5, it's not a commodity drive, so they may lock it down to ensure a degree of consistency with the performance, they wouldn't want people replacing it with a drive half the speed, would they?

But let's say that it theoretically was capable of being upgraded... It would be limited by the 4x PCI-E 4.0 lanes... Which tops out at 8GB/s. (Actually less in the real world due to overheads and so forth.)

Where-as PCI-E 5.0 is gaining traction in the PC space (Controllers already exist) which would offer 16GB/s on a typical nVME drive with 4x lanes.
Or get a PCI-E addon card with 16x lanes for a total of 64GB/s.

Have you watched the Cerny CES presentation? I'm pretty sure the NVME is expandable, they will only have to certify the new drives are a) fast enough and b) actually fit in the console expansion bay. So yeah, expandable and subject to certification.

On the paying narrative, this is just speculation, I'm not sure what Sony would be paying for in this regard. This was not a Sony event, it's multiplatform game engine that just happened to be run on one of the next gen consoles, specific tailored to one's strengths.

I'm staggered by the level of reaching to make this way more than it really is. We all know PC hardware will brute force through what's achievable on the PS5, it's just a matter of time and cost. At the end of the day we'll all benefit from it.

Storage is expandable as setsunatenshi said.

Here's where expanding storage is first mentioned:

https://youtu.be/KasVMOMWM-4?t=991

Here's where the full explanation starts, including pointing out that you can use slower drives and external drives:

https://youtu.be/KasVMOMWM-4?t=1190

But here Cerny states that they are testing retail drives, will be informing us which ones offer best results for PS5 software, and recommend holding off on upgrades until we hear from them:

https://youtu.be/KasVMOMWM-4?t=1382

Last edited by Dgc1808 - on 18 May 2020

4 ≈ One

One thing to remember when the list does come out is that if a SSD that can also do lets say 6.5GB/s but isn't on Sony's compatibility list doesn't mean it won't perform as good as the one that is on Sony's compatibility list. The reason is because Sony's compatibility list also considers ones that can fit into the ps5's physical space limitation as Cerny himself said.



                  

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Teriol said:
setsunatenshi said:

1. Most Sony first party studios do not use Unreal Engine (not sure about Days Gone, might be the only one)

2. Sony gets money from Sony games sold in the Steam store

3. All of them are in it for the money, not to give you stuff for free (what a useless point to make)

You show a game engine wherever it shows best. Epic is in it to wow people and inspire them to use their engine. If they could have shown better on different hardware, they would have. Was the same for all previous versions of unreal engine. Get the beefiest PC you can reasonably assemble and advertise their proprietary engine running there, boom.

You know you have bad logic when it literally applies in the one exact case it's somehow convenient to your narrative.

PS: I read through your signature and seems quite interesting how you seem to be going completely against it: "Instead of seeking to convince others, we can be open to changing our own minds, and seek out information that contradicts our own steadfast point of view. Maybe it’ll turn out that those who disagree with you actually have a solid grasp of the facts. There’s a slight possibility that, after all, you’re the one who’s wrong."

Oh the irony...

They show the demo running better on pc, and it was a notebook and it is confirm by the epic guy from China, and by this guy from DF, the ssd on ps5 was not necesary for this demo to run even better, so all this  is just PR from sony in all reality Xbox SX will be superior, but thats no bad because the Ps5 will be a great console running the same games plus exclusives.

No



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Teriol said:
setsunatenshi said:

1. Most Sony first party studios do not use Unreal Engine (not sure about Days Gone, might be the only one)

2. Sony gets money from Sony games sold in the Steam store

3. All of them are in it for the money, not to give you stuff for free (what a useless point to make)

You show a game engine wherever it shows best. Epic is in it to wow people and inspire them to use their engine. If they could have shown better on different hardware, they would have. Was the same for all previous versions of unreal engine. Get the beefiest PC you can reasonably assemble and advertise their proprietary engine running there, boom.

You know you have bad logic when it literally applies in the one exact case it's somehow convenient to your narrative.

PS: I read through your signature and seems quite interesting how you seem to be going completely against it: "Instead of seeking to convince others, we can be open to changing our own minds, and seek out information that contradicts our own steadfast point of view. Maybe it’ll turn out that those who disagree with you actually have a solid grasp of the facts. There’s a slight possibility that, after all, you’re the one who’s wrong."

Oh the irony...

They show the demo running better on pc, and it was a notebook and it is confirm by the epic guy from China, and by this guy from DF, the ssd on ps5 was not necesary for this demo to run even better, so all this  is just PR from sony in all reality Xbox SX will be superior, but thats no bad because the Ps5 will be a great console running the same games plus exclusives.

Where.



Hunting Season is done...

Zoombael said:
Teriol said:

They show the demo running better on pc, and it was a notebook and it is confirm by the epic guy from China, and by this guy from DF, the ssd on ps5 was not necesary for this demo to run even better, so all this  is just PR from sony in all reality Xbox SX will be superior, but thats no bad because the Ps5 will be a great console running the same games plus exclusives.

Where.

Fake news :D

Like, actual fake news. And this is how it spreads.



setsunatenshi said:
Zoombael said:

Where.

Fake news :D

Like, actual fake news. And this is how it spreads.

...and not even getting a warning. Counting three moderators on two pages.



Hunting Season is done...

Zoombael said:
setsunatenshi said:

Fake news :D

Like, actual fake news. And this is how it spreads.

...and not even getting a warning. Counting three moderators on two pages.

After I literally rebuked that claim with links... just look a few pages back. Sometimes you have to disengage, there's no honest discussion to be had :/ 



Teriol said:
setsunatenshi said:

1. Most Sony first party studios do not use Unreal Engine (not sure about Days Gone, might be the only one)

2. Sony gets money from Sony games sold in the Steam store

3. All of them are in it for the money, not to give you stuff for free (what a useless point to make)

You show a game engine wherever it shows best. Epic is in it to wow people and inspire them to use their engine. If they could have shown better on different hardware, they would have. Was the same for all previous versions of unreal engine. Get the beefiest PC you can reasonably assemble and advertise their proprietary engine running there, boom.

You know you have bad logic when it literally applies in the one exact case it's somehow convenient to your narrative.

PS: I read through your signature and seems quite interesting how you seem to be going completely against it: "Instead of seeking to convince others, we can be open to changing our own minds, and seek out information that contradicts our own steadfast point of view. Maybe it’ll turn out that those who disagree with you actually have a solid grasp of the facts. There’s a slight possibility that, after all, you’re the one who’s wrong."

Oh the irony...

They show the demo running better on pc, and it was a notebook and it is confirm by the epic guy from China, and by this guy from DF, the ssd on ps5 was not necesary for this demo to run even better, so all this  is just PR from sony in all reality Xbox SX will be superior, but thats no bad because the Ps5 will be a great console running the same games plus exclusives.

Why do you refuse to accept that the video was confirmed to be the PS5 footage show on a notebook instead of the demo run on that said notebook?



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