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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

A narrative fans used in console wars not one Sony really used or cared for PS4. Plus if you remember VGC during that time PS4 was considered DoA first because Sony was bankrupt and second because "the most powerful console never wins a gen" that show power was considered a handicap.

I know it wasn’t Sony’s narrative per se it was thrust into them by the fans but the end result still the same. And I never agreed with that DoA proclamation...silly logic when the PS3 was doing amazing in its final years. 



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I agree with some of what you said, but MS has gotten extremely aggressive and are doing a hell of a lot right. They’re coming for Sony’s lunch, and so far Sony has not demonstrated much strength or confidence to answer. Sony’s PlayStation division still seems so disjointed and poorly run. That GDC tech demo exemplifies this. Really. Who greenlit that event? As a PlayStation guy, it worries me. I do think MS will take back at least some market share next gen, primarily in the US and UK.

The absolute no. 1 thing Sony has going for it that is a major advantage over MS is their first party stable. But I think MS will outdo Sony at launch. With what we know right now, Sony is not giving an equal answer to MS’s launch game of Halo 6. Even Horizon ZD 2 would not be as much of a system seller as a proper Halo 6 IMO. I’ve said it before that I think Sony choosing not to launch TLoUp2 with PS5 is a massive mistake. By that time, even if it’s ready for PS5’s launch, it will be old news compared to Halo 6, which I predict will be massive and game changing for the franchise, similar to God of War 2018. And I think this will result in MS taking back some market share right from the beginning. 

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I was going to write up another reply to Rol and Sales person, but I realized...their revisionist history is at odds with reality and no amount of arguing is going to make them concede the point. I don't expect them to agree with me, but If we're not even adhering to the same flow of time and see history from a completely different perspective than what is real, then there's no way this can be a fruitful discussion.

Rol, your assertion that 'exclusives' are the least important of the factors you listed is just so wrong I don't even know where to start.

Sales, your revisionist history where you're passing the buck and saying 'nuh uh, what you say Xbox does...well Sony does it' is also not really in line with what really happened or how history went. I also need to point out that my example of Rare was simply the progenitor to the problem Microsoft has. they acquire studios and do nothing with them. They did it with Rare and have not changed their tone ever since then. when was the last time a Microsoft helmed studio made something as epic and groundbreaking as Banjo Kazooie? When was the last time we had high quality middle-tier exclusives on Xbox? we just haven't in ages. That's my point.

Seriously, get with reality. I get that you have your preferences - we all do - but you can't just disregard everything about history in order to fuel your faulty narrative. Regardless of personal preferences, the sales history of these two companies speak a wholly different story than the one you're trying to tell.



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Runa216 said:
I was going to write up another reply to Rol and Sales person, but I realized...their revisionist history is at odds with reality and no amount of arguing is going to make them concede the point. I don't expect them to agree with me, but If we're not even adhering to the same flow of time and see history from a completely different perspective than what is real, then there's no way this can be a fruitful discussion.

Rol, your assertion that 'exclusives' are the least important of the factors you listed is just so wrong I don't even know where to start.

Sales, your revisionist history where you're passing the buck and saying 'nuh uh, what you say Xbox does...well Sony does it' is also not really in line with what really happened or how history went. I also need to point out that my example of Rare was simply the progenitor to the problem Microsoft has. they acquire studios and do nothing with them. They did it with Rare and have not changed their tone ever since then. when was the last time a Microsoft helmed studio made something as epic and groundbreaking as Banjo Kazooie? When was the last time we had high quality middle-tier exclusives on Xbox? we just haven't in ages. That's my point.

Seriously, get with reality. I get that you have your preferences - we all do - but you can't just disregard everything about history in order to fuel your faulty narrative. Regardless of personal preferences, the sales history of these two companies speak a wholly different story than the one you're trying to tell.

If you think that 'exclusives' are the most important thing in PS vs Xbox rivalry, would you be willing to bet that PS5 will flop if the rumour about it having way more inferior exclusive games lineup than Xbox Series X proves to be true? For some reason, I don't think so.



 

I always said for xbox to sell great, Sony will have to eff up. I dont see it happening, Xbox sells less next gen, the ratio will be greater.



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derpysquirtle64 said:
Runa216 said:
I was going to write up another reply to Rol and Sales person, but I realized...their revisionist history is at odds with reality and no amount of arguing is going to make them concede the point. I don't expect them to agree with me, but If we're not even adhering to the same flow of time and see history from a completely different perspective than what is real, then there's no way this can be a fruitful discussion.

Rol, your assertion that 'exclusives' are the least important of the factors you listed is just so wrong I don't even know where to start.

Sales, your revisionist history where you're passing the buck and saying 'nuh uh, what you say Xbox does...well Sony does it' is also not really in line with what really happened or how history went. I also need to point out that my example of Rare was simply the progenitor to the problem Microsoft has. they acquire studios and do nothing with them. They did it with Rare and have not changed their tone ever since then. when was the last time a Microsoft helmed studio made something as epic and groundbreaking as Banjo Kazooie? When was the last time we had high quality middle-tier exclusives on Xbox? we just haven't in ages. That's my point.

Seriously, get with reality. I get that you have your preferences - we all do - but you can't just disregard everything about history in order to fuel your faulty narrative. Regardless of personal preferences, the sales history of these two companies speak a wholly different story than the one you're trying to tell.

If you think that 'exclusives' are the most important thing in PS vs Xbox rivalry, would you be willing to bet that PS5 will flop if the rumour about it having way more inferior exclusive games lineup than Xbox Series X proves to be true? For some reason, I don't think so.

Not just inferior, but way more inferior eh? I'm almost afraid to ask where this rumor originates from.



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shikamaru317 said:


-People thought Microsoft's 1st party was weak, they have been expanding it substantially, with 9 new studios so far (Playground 1 and 2, Obsidian, inXile, Undead Labs, Compulsion, Double Fine, Ninja Theory, and The Initiative), 5-6 of which will have teams developing AAA games when they finish expanding them, and they have also been on hiring sprees at some of their older studios to improve the scale of the games they build. Microsoft claims their eventual goal is to release 4 AAA games per year between 1st party and 2nd party, with quite a few yearly A and AA games as well. The goal is to have a steady stream of exclusive content rolling in.

Playground makes Forza, so nothing changes there. 

Obsidian should deliver at least 2 excellent exclusives to XB2. 

While I have Wasteland 2 on my wishlist, I think inXile is a very hit or miss type of game developer. They either make great games, or make junk. 

Undead Labs has been making games for them since 360 so nothing changes there. 

Compulsion games? The We Happy Few Devs? I'm sorry, but they suck. 

Doublefine hasn't made anything good since 2009's Brutal Legend. I'm afraid they are another studio past its prime, like Rare. 

Ninja Theory's Senua 2 should be excellent. Their other games like Razor's Edge on the other hand... 

Isn't the Initiative a whole new studio with no track record? 

I think you forgot Relic Entertainment, which I think is a pretty strong studio. Their games are at least on par with stuff like Yoshi's Whooly World and Kirby Star Allies. But nothing to buy a console over IMO. 

So the only really compelling studios they've added are Obsidian, and Ninja Theory. But that's just my own opinion. Maybe other people are super hyped for some of these other studios. Just saying I'm not. 



COKTOE said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

If you think that 'exclusives' are the most important thing in PS vs Xbox rivalry, would you be willing to bet that PS5 will flop if the rumour about it having way more inferior exclusive games lineup than Xbox Series X proves to be true? For some reason, I don't think so.

Not just inferior, but way more inferior eh? I'm almost afraid to ask where this rumor originates from.

From the guy who first came up with "HZD coming to PC" rumour first. Everyone laughed at him back then but see how it turned out. Now he says that Sony's launch lineup will look pale compared to Microsoft's for the most part due to Sony's leadership changes. 



 

COKTOE said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

If you think that 'exclusives' are the most important thing in PS vs Xbox rivalry, would you be willing to bet that PS5 will flop if the rumour about it having way more inferior exclusive games lineup than Xbox Series X proves to be true? For some reason, I don't think so.

Not just inferior, but way more inferior eh? I'm almost afraid to ask where this rumor originates from.

fantasy. there's no reality behind it, just wishes from a biased source.



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derpysquirtle64 said:
COKTOE said:

Not just inferior, but way more inferior eh? I'm almost afraid to ask where this rumor originates from.

From the guy who first came up with "HZD coming to PC" rumour first. Everyone laughed at him back then but see how it turned out. Now he says that Sony's launch lineup will look pale compared to Microsoft's for the most part due to Sony's leadership changes. 

Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC is a factual claim. Sony's launch lineup looking pale compared to Xbox's is a subjective claim. This is from the guy that wrote a scathing review of Xenoblade 2 without even making it to the end credits. His personal opinion on the quality of games is a joke. His factual claims on the other hand are almost always right. A Jason S. rumor almost always turns out to be true, so long as it deals in fact, and not opinion.