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KratosLives said:
i quote Mr druckman

“When you make a game, you have these different pillars that you're trying to balance. It's graphics, it's gameplay, it's story and you're trying not to let any one pillar overwhelm the other. You're trying to just keep all of this stuff in your mind like, how does it all work together? Recently, I realized that there's this other pillar of diversity. That's just as important as any one of these other pillars. I've kind of empowered people on the team that have made this their top priority, one of which is someone I have to give a lot of credit to, is Ashley Swidowski, our lead concept character artist, which in film terms would be our costume designer. She is constantly challenging me and pushing for diversity in our cast. Can this be a person of color? Can this be a woman? I see myself as a pretty progressive person and yet my default is a white, straight, christian male. That's interesting because I'm Jewish and yet that's the norm for me right now. It's a challenge and it requires energy to deviate from that. Therefore it's important to empower people on the team that are going to push for this pillar.”

The part where he talks about being a straight white christian by default, why does he have an issue with it? is the default straight white christian male not a good person , or something to be ashamed of? seeing yourself as jewish makes you a better person? or does he have a different meaning behind it.Maybe he doesn't like christians, who probably make up the majority of the games fanbase, and they are most likely straight, and white. Maybe he is is part of the lgbt movement and has it for them.

The point he is making is that even thoug he is Jewish, it has been ingrained in his mind that the straight, white, christian man is default main character. It doesn't even occur to him to think outside that box.  



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Xxain said:
KratosLives said:
i quote Mr druckman

“When you make a game, you have these different pillars that you're trying to balance. It's graphics, it's gameplay, it's story and you're trying not to let any one pillar overwhelm the other. You're trying to just keep all of this stuff in your mind like, how does it all work together? Recently, I realized that there's this other pillar of diversity. That's just as important as any one of these other pillars. I've kind of empowered people on the team that have made this their top priority, one of which is someone I have to give a lot of credit to, is Ashley Swidowski, our lead concept character artist, which in film terms would be our costume designer. She is constantly challenging me and pushing for diversity in our cast. Can this be a person of color? Can this be a woman? I see myself as a pretty progressive person and yet my default is a white, straight, christian male. That's interesting because I'm Jewish and yet that's the norm for me right now. It's a challenge and it requires energy to deviate from that. Therefore it's important to empower people on the team that are going to push for this pillar.”

The part where he talks about being a straight white christian by default, why does he have an issue with it? is the default straight white christian male not a good person , or something to be ashamed of? seeing yourself as jewish makes you a better person? or does he have a different meaning behind it.Maybe he doesn't like christians, who probably make up the majority of the games fanbase, and they are most likely straight, and white. Maybe he is is part of the lgbt movement and has it for them.

The point he is making is that even thoug he is Jewish, it has been ingrained in his mind that the straight, white, christian man is default main character. It doesn't even occur to him to think outside that box.

Yeah it's pretty stupid of him to think like that. As though being a jewish person is any different than your average christian.Following the old testament and the words of moses or follwing the teaches of christ in the bible doesn't make either person any better or more "progressive". And the average jewish synagogue or christian church does not teach to go out and hate on gays and lesbians, or vilify them. But sure, as expected within a few billion , you will have a few sects or cults that deviate and spread hate. Views and behaviours come down to individual personality and intellect.  So it's sad of him to go that way. 



I mean Ellie was always gay, why it's suddenly a problem? Personally I play TloU for the stealth action, I don't give two s*its about the story lol



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Xxain said:
KratosLives said:
i quote Mr druckman

“When you make a game, you have these different pillars that you're trying to balance. It's graphics, it's gameplay, it's story and you're trying not to let any one pillar overwhelm the other. You're trying to just keep all of this stuff in your mind like, how does it all work together? Recently, I realized that there's this other pillar of diversity. That's just as important as any one of these other pillars.

The point he is making is that even thoug he is Jewish, it has been ingrained in his mind that the straight, white, christian man is default main character. It doesn't even occur to him to think outside that box.  

Yeah, I think that is one of the points.

Another point is, that diversity is just as important in a game as gameplay and story are. To me, this is wrong on multiple levels.

Diversity, at its most important (not necessarily at its best), is part of the story. When your game (or whatever) is about race, gender, sex, religion, age, ect., you really must have the right, diverse cast. Can't have a game about the struggle through apartheit in South Africa with just an asuan cast. In those cases you have to get diversity right.

What bugs me about Neil is, that he thinks diversity is just as important in games without focus on race, religion, etc. Race is an important issue and if your game is about it, go for it. But if it is not, I cannot see, how a game of only black people is worse than a game with black AND asian people. Race just goes skin deep. If your story is not about it, it should not matter. Is Joel (tlou) a hindu, or a christian? Does not matter. Ellie could have been a boy and/or Joel a Woman and it would have been as great a game.

Honestly, and I don't say this lightly, but everybody who thinks more races in your game (or genders, or other things as trivial as those) makes for a better game, strikes me as somewhat racist.



Ok i have changed my view on the story and leak. I'm keeping an open mind because i see some justifications or reasons as to why certain things happened. When you know context it eases the mind a little. Let's just hope neil and gross don't fk it up.



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JuliusHackebeil said:
Xxain said:

The point he is making is that even thoug he is Jewish, it has been ingrained in his mind that the straight, white, christian man is default main character. It doesn't even occur to him to think outside that box.  

Yeah, I think that is one of the points.

Another point is, that diversity is just as important in a game as gameplay and story are. To me, this is wrong on multiple levels.

Diversity, at its most important (not necessarily at its best), is part of the story. When your game (or whatever) is about race, gender, sex, religion, age, ect., you really must have the right, diverse cast. Can't have a game about the struggle through apartheit in South Africa with just an asuan cast. In those cases you have to get diversity right.

What bugs me about Neil is, that he thinks diversity is just as important in games without focus on race, religion, etc. Race is an important issue and if your game is about it, go for it. But if it is not, I cannot see, how a game of only black people is worse than a game with black AND asian people. Race just goes skin deep. If your story is not about it, it should not matter. Is Joel (tlou) a hindu, or a christian? Does not matter. Ellie could have been a boy and/or Joel a Woman and it would have been as great a game.

Honestly, and I don't say this lightly, but everybody who thinks more races in your game (or genders, or other things as trivial as those) makes for a better game, strikes me as somewhat racist.

I think the opposite way. You are infering that unless there is a specific reason to justify it, that diversity should not exist. Why cant there be diversity for diversities sake? I dont agree with diversity being a important part of game, but do I take note of cool enthic characters? Yes I do. Speaking of ethic characters, isn't it strange that Japan is responsible for all the coolest black characters? Thats a damn shame.



Bandorr said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Well, it's the long awaited sequel of The Last of Us, one of the most lauded games of both last and this generation, selling over 7m copies on PS3 and over 12m on PS4. There are a lot of people waiting for the continuation of the story. If many consider it's not worth playing it, that is going to make an impact on preorders.

That didn't answer my question. I'm not asking who pre-ordered it. I'm asking

Who saw the trailer two years, kept their pre order (or made one) but is finding the "spoiler" so bad that they are NOW cancelling it.

All the rage induced political reasons to cancel this - already cancelled it two years ago when they saw two girls kissing.

Yet you think many will spoil themselves, get so angry at the ending - and cancel their orders even after knowing the game involves two girls kissing?

That's a reach. That's a reach that I'm not sure even Mr Fantastic could make.

It’s a combination of what happens that triggers the response. Then there’s the degrees of what’s accepted and what’s still controversial. 2 girls kissing is no big deal. Pretty damn near universally accepted if you ask me. Even homophobes make an exception because 2 girls kissing is hot lol. Without spoiling anything I’m telling you there is more at play. 



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KratosLives said:
i quote Mr druckman

“When you make a game, you have these different pillars that you're trying to balance. It's graphics, it's gameplay, it's story and you're trying not to let any one pillar overwhelm the other. You're trying to just keep all of this stuff in your mind like, how does it all work together? Recently, I realized that there's this other pillar of diversity. That's just as important as any one of these other pillars. I've kind of empowered people on the team that have made this their top priority, one of which is someone I have to give a lot of credit to, is Ashley Swidowski, our lead concept character artist, which in film terms would be our costume designer. She is constantly challenging me and pushing for diversity in our cast. Can this be a person of color? Can this be a woman? I see myself as a pretty progressive person and yet my default is a white, straight, christian male. That's interesting because I'm Jewish and yet that's the norm for me right now. It's a challenge and it requires energy to deviate from that. Therefore it's important to empower people on the team that are going to push for this pillar.”

The part where he talks about being a straight white christian by default, why does he have an issue with it? is the default straight white christian male not a good person , or something to be ashamed of? seeing yourself as jewish makes you a better person? or does he have a different meaning behind it.Maybe he doesn't like christians, who probably make up the majority of the games fanbase, and they are most likely straight, and white. Maybe he is is part of the lgbt movement and has it for them.

It’s a little cringe that he says diversity is just as important as graphics, gameplay and story in video games. Diversity is literally skin deep. By all means have a diverse cast but it shouldn’t be the priority to have x amount of each race and sexuality in the game. And it’s offensive and ironically racist to imply straight white people are taboo to star in video games anymore. 



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DeusXmachina said:
COKTOE said:

TLOU hasn't been praised for it's gameplay? Could you expand on this statement please? I can't remember what the consensus was among critics, but I have a feeling I could find praise for the gameplay if I were to meander over to an aggregate review site and look at coverage of either the original or remaster.

I haven't seen any praise for it's gameplay to be honest. That doesn't mean it's bad but it's just okay. Unlike it's story gameplay didn't actually try anything new. It was a standard cover shooter, some stealth and a bit of crafting which pretty must describes most AAA games these times.

Again, gameplay wasn't bad. It was just kind of generic.

Well, that's at least debatable and based on my recollection of the game from when I played it 6 years ago, I wouldn't argue that it was bringing anything new to the table. But that TLOU doesn't get praised for it's gameplay, by critics or fans? Less so. Just for the record, it wasn't my favourite, but I thought it was above average gameplay wise, and a great game overall.

Last edited by COKTOE - on 29 April 2020

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