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JRPGfan said:

this character has grown on me..... gotta love all the meme's:

Cant believe Trump actually tweeted to "stop the counting".
Everyones vote in a election should "count", otherwise its not a fair election or democracy.

Stop the counting?

He should stop the cunting and then maybe we'll talk



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EnricoPallazzo said:
SecondWar said:

Can you elaborate on that? Everything I seen so far where the Trumps ide have claimed fraud has either been without merit or evidence, or a complete distortion - like where someone was supposedly removing ballots from a counting station but was actually a news station cameraman putting the camera equipment back in his van.

No, that was just stupid, or the claim that there were more people voting in WI than registered voters when actually people were using an outdated list of registered voters, or the picture of two ladies counting votes in Michigan using Biden masks. All most likely bollocks.

It's primarily all the mess related to main in voting and ballots arriving after the election date, people being instructed to back date ballots, dead people voting, the "typo" that generated 133k votes for Biden in Michigan, states for no reason stopping the counting of votes so it may take longer to wait to more ballots to arrive, the media calling states for Biden earlier than it should be, arizona voters having their votes not being counted because they were instructed to use a pen that cannot be read by the machines, the list goes on. As of course, the bias and censorship from media. I dont expect you to believe neither to care for any of this as you definitely wont find any of this in regular media and even if you find anything, "independent fact checkers" will call it debunked.

And at the end of the day, we usually tend to do not care when our side is winning.

I just hope that all those cases were not enough to change the course of the election and that if there is any recount, that the result achieved might be the same as we have now. USA is the max symbol of democracy for most of the world and the last thing we need in the world is the president of the most powerful nation being called "illegitimate" by half of it's populations and part of the world.

Don't worry, no one who knows anything about democracy considers the US to be one, let alone a good one. The US hasn't been for quite a while. Both of the last 2 Republican Presidents were voted in by a minority, aka the opposite of a democracy. And the electoral college is just the small starting point of the many things that invalidate the US as a democracy.

The US invading other countries to bring democracy is already a global meme since they should be invading themselves first to bring democracy.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
JRPGfan said:

"CNN just said they’ve checked and heard 120,000 from Philly and 700,000+ across all of PA." - Jeff Albertson

So Theres still votes to count in Philly & PA.
Hopefully enough for biden to move the needle, and possibly take Pennsylvania.

Biden just needs 135k to catch up, to Trump there.

According to the Guardian Trump is up 124,874 in PA, with 956,000 estimated votes to count.

That just doesn't seem right. I remember some tweets from journalists saying there's 350,000 votes left in PA. Which source is correct?

Could it be that those 350k were just for one county (Philadelphia most probably) and 956k total for the state?



OlfinBedwere said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

I just hope that all those cases were not enough to change the course of the election and that if there is any recount, that the result achieved might be the same as we have now. USA is the max symbol of democracy for most of the world and the last thing we need in the world is the president of the most powerful nation being called "illegitimate" by half of it's populations and part of the world.

It's a little late for that, unfortunately. Liberals claimed that Bush Jr. was illegitimate because of all the chicanery surrounding the Florida result in 2000, then conservatives claimed that Obama was illegitimate because he (supposedly) wasn't born in the USA, and then liberals claimed that Trump was illegitimate for many reasons, probably the kindest of which was the huge disparity between his popular and electoral vote totals.

Just curious I was younger when it happened, what was the deal with Bush and Florida? I know there was a lot of recounting and stuff, but was there anything illegal?



SecondWar said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

No, that was just stupid, or the claim that there were more people voting in WI than registered voters when actually people were using an outdated list of registered voters, or the picture of two ladies counting votes in Michigan using Biden masks. All most likely bollocks.

It's primarily all the mess related to main in voting and ballots arriving after the election date, people being instructed to back date ballots, dead people voting, the "typo" that generated 133k votes for Biden in Michigan, states for no reason stopping the counting of votes so it may take longer to wait to more ballots to arrive, the media calling states for Biden earlier than it should be, arizona voters having their votes not being counted because they were instructed to use a pen that cannot be read by the machines, the list goes on. As of course, the bias and censorship from media. I dont expect you to believe neither to care for any of this as you definitely wont find any of this in regular media and even if you find anything, "independent fact checkers" will call it debunked.

And at the end of the day, we usually tend to do not care when our side is winning.

I just hope that all those cases were not enough to change the course of the election and that if there is any recount, that the result achieved might be the same as we have now. USA is the max symbol of democracy for most of the world and the last thing we need in the world is the president of the most powerful nation being called "illegitimate" by half of it's populations and part of the world.

The problem is, Trump and his cronies have spouted so much crap over the last few years, it's impossible to take him seriously now. Also, many of those who don't view him through rose-tinted glasses predicted that he would behave in a petulant manner if the election results showed he was losing - which he promptly did. He baselessly alleged fraud before the 2016 election as well, but made nothing of it afterwards (aside from a few moans to distract from him losing the popular vote) because he won.

That I agree, it was totally foolish and pretty idiotic to claim victory at this point, just more of his antics to appraise his base. His tweets after that just made me feel sad for the guy, crying like a baby on the same platform that keeps censoring him. It will go down in history as the guy who claimed victory and nobody cared and just ignored. 



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This is supposed to be the biggest turnout in modern history. Yet they don't even break 2/3s of the eligeable population. That's pathetic. I hope voting reform is on the high priority list for next cycle. Not sure why it hasn't been. If democrats could get turnout to 75% they won't ever lose an election again.



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Ka-pi96 said:
vivster said:
This is supposed to be the biggest turnout in modern history. Yet they don't even break 2/3s of the eligeable population. That's pathetic. I hope voting reform is on the high priority list for next cycle. Not sure why it hasn't been. If democrats could get turnout to 75% they won't ever lose an election again.

It seems unlikely. I mean, "why change things when you're winning?" is usually why voting reform never happens.

Then they deserve to lose.

Bernie would make it his top priority after he fixes healthcare.



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vivster said:
This is supposed to be the biggest turnout in modern history. Yet they don't even break 2/3s of the eligeable population. That's pathetic. I hope voting reform is on the high priority list for next cycle. Not sure why it hasn't been. If democrats could get turnout to 75% they won't ever lose an election again.

A lot of voters are in either safe D or safe R states, and we know what that means with the electoral college. Worse, even, in safe districts due to all gerrymandering. No point on turning out in these circumstances.

Honestly, one of the worst voting "democratic" systems in the world, by far.



 

 

 

 

 

Barozi said:
Barozi said:
Next Pennsylvania batch in (roughly 59k).

Biden's share was 75% (44k) this time. Still on track.

355k more since the last time I looked at Pennsylvania.

72% of them favoured Biden. Lead down to 164k.

still doable.

77k since my quoted post.

82% for Biden. Lead has decreased to 115k.

I probably won't witness it today.

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EnricoPallazzo said:
OlfinBedwere said:

It's a little late for that, unfortunately. Liberals claimed that Bush Jr. was illegitimate because of all the chicanery surrounding the Florida result in 2000, then conservatives claimed that Obama was illegitimate because he (supposedly) wasn't born in the USA, and then liberals claimed that Trump was illegitimate for many reasons, probably the kindest of which was the huge disparity between his popular and electoral vote totals.

Just curious I was younger when it happened, what was the deal with Bush and Florida? I know there was a lot of recounting and stuff, but was there anything illegal?

Nothing that could proven. But having a relative of Bush at the helm in Florida should already be an immediate red flag.

Also, check who was working at the recount at the time. Brett Kavanough did, while Amy Coney Barrett was working to get the recounts stopped and legally assisted Bush. Both got appointed to the supreme court by Trump.

Seeing a pattern there?