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JRPGfan on 05 November 2020

this is the reason:






https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2020/11/pa-midwest-direct-allegheny-county-wrong-ballots/

Makes you wonder why they have rules for events like this? its so odd.



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Xxain on 05 November 2020

Ignore PA. Lotta fuckery goin on over there. Nevada and Georgia should be our biggest focus.



JRPGfan on 05 November 2020
Xxain said:
Ignore PA. Lotta fuckery goin on over there. Nevada and Georgia should be our biggest focus.

Isnt PA one of the "better" chances biden has?

Theres a 124k gap between him and Trump.
Theres 700k+ votes yet to be counted.

Alot of these are from the bigger towns/cities, where democrats are a larget %.
Also alot of these are from mail in ballots (which again favor democrats).

That gap is gonna shrink, and likely be overtaken by Biden as these 700k+ votes are being counted.



Cerebralbore101 on 05 November 2020
JRPGfan said:

"CNN just said they’ve checked and heard 120,000 from Philly and 700,000+ across all of PA." - Jeff Albertson

So Theres still votes to count in Philly & PA.
Hopefully enough for biden to move the needle, and possibly take Pennsylvania.

Biden just needs 135k to catch up, to Trump there.

According to the Guardian Trump is up 124,874 in PA, with 956,000 estimated votes to count.

That just doesn't seem right. I remember some tweets from journalists saying there's 350,000 votes left in PA. Which source is correct?



SecondWar on 05 November 2020
EnricoPallazzo said:
SecondWar said:

Can you elaborate on that? Everything I seen so far where the Trumps ide have claimed fraud has either been without merit or evidence, or a complete distortion - like where someone was supposedly removing ballots from a counting station but was actually a news station cameraman putting the camera equipment back in his van.

No, that was just stupid, or the claim that there were more people voting in WI than registered voters when actually people were using an outdated list of registered voters, or the picture of two ladies counting votes in Michigan using Biden masks. All most likely bollocks.

It's primarily all the mess related to main in voting and ballots arriving after the election date, people being instructed to back date ballots, dead people voting, the "typo" that generated 133k votes for Biden in Michigan, states for no reason stopping the counting of votes so it may take longer to wait to more ballots to arrive, the media calling states for Biden earlier than it should be, arizona voters having their votes not being counted because they were instructed to use a pen that cannot be read by the machines, the list goes on. As of course, the bias and censorship from media. I dont expect you to believe neither to care for any of this as you definitely wont find any of this in regular media and even if you find anything, "independent fact checkers" will call it debunked.

And at the end of the day, we usually tend to do not care when our side is winning.

I just hope that all those cases were not enough to change the course of the election and that if there is any recount, that the result achieved might be the same as we have now. USA is the max symbol of democracy for most of the world and the last thing we need in the world is the president of the most powerful nation being called "illegitimate" by half of it's populations and part of the world.

The problem is, Trump and his cronies have spouted so much crap over the last few years, it's impossible to take him seriously now. Also, many of those who don't view him through rose-tinted glasses predicted that he would behave in a petulant manner if the election results showed he was losing - which he promptly did. He baselessly alleged fraud before the 2016 election as well, but made nothing of it afterwards (aside from a few moans to distract from him losing the popular vote) because he won.



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Mr_Destiny on 05 November 2020
EnricoPallazzo said:

It's primarily all the mess related to main in voting and ballots arriving after the election date, 1) people being instructed to back date ballots, 2) dead people voting, 3) the "typo" that generated 133k votes for Biden in Michigan, 4) states for no reason stopping the counting of votes so it may take longer to wait to more ballots to arrive, 5) the media calling states for Biden earlier than it should be, 6) arizona voters having their votes not being counted because they were instructed to use a pen that cannot be read by the machines, the list goes on. As of course, the bias and censorship from media. I dont expect you to believe neither to care for any of this as you definitely wont find any of this in regular media and even if you find anything, "independent fact checkers" will call it debunked.

1) I've not heard of this. Source, please.

2) Some old people cast a mail-in ballot but subsequently died. Their votes were not counted.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201104230434/https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/dead-voters-in-michigan-rejected-ballots-fraud-fact-check/index.html

"A https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-93094-536848--,00.html">press release from Michigan's Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson noted that the 846 ballots rejected from deceased voters "[r]efers to voters who died after casting their absentee ballot but before Election Day."

If you're referring to the people "born" January 1, 1900, those are just old people whose birth certificates lack a discernable date, so officials write 0 in the excel spreadsheet, which excel converts to 1/1/1900.

3) Yes, it was an input error from one county that was quickly corrected. I posted this earlier in the thread:

4) Maybe election workers need sleep too? Or they want to have all the remaining votes counted before putting out one final report?

5) Yeah, the AZ call from the AP was too soon.

6) The ballots are still readable because they were designed to accept sharpie.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/video/867529

"Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs says ballots marked with Sharpies will be counted by the elections department. Maricopa County ballots are deliberately offset so that if ink bleeds through, it does not interfere with the bubbles on the other side."



Barozi on 05 November 2020
JRPGfan said:


~61k+ votes left to count, under 18k gap between Trump & Biden.

Theres a "chance" that georgia goes blue.
Not fantastic, but its there, and realistic enough that it could happend.

Biden would need about 80% of these to win. Not that likely IMO.



SecondWar on 05 November 2020
JRPGfan said:


~61k+ votes left to count, under 18k gap between Trump & Biden.

Theres a "chance" that georgia goes blue.
Not fantastic, but its there, and realistic enough that it could happend.

Although the remaining votes in Georgia are trending for Biden, I don't get the sense they are rending for him enough given the amount that are left. I believe Georgia will remain red.



OlfinBedwere on 05 November 2020
Barozi said:
JRPGfan said:


~61k+ votes left to count, under 18k gap between Trump & Biden.

Theres a "chance" that georgia goes blue.
Not fantastic, but its there, and realistic enough that it could happend.

Biden would need about 80% of these to win. Not that likely IMO.

More like 65%. It's a tall order, but in the realms of possibility when you consider that most of them are from Atlanta and the surrounding area, and Biden has been doing quite well there.



Barozi on 05 November 2020
Cerebralbore101 said:
JRPGfan said:

"CNN just said they’ve checked and heard 120,000 from Philly and 700,000+ across all of PA." - Jeff Albertson

So Theres still votes to count in Philly & PA.
Hopefully enough for biden to move the needle, and possibly take Pennsylvania.

Biden just needs 135k to catch up, to Trump there.

According to the Guardian Trump is up 124,874 in PA, with 956,000 estimated votes to count.

That just doesn't seem right. I remember some tweets from journalists saying there's 350,000 votes left in PA. Which source is correct?

From what I gathered the numbers on the following site weren't properly updated:
https://www.votespa.com/About-Elections/Pages/Counting-Dashboard.aspx

It definitely updated a bit over the course of the day but I'm not sure how recent these numbers are. They currently show 581k mail-in ballots left.

But even if they're only 350k left it would probably be enough for Biden to win it.