Guys I'm gonna make a new final prediction for PS5 that nobody DARES to make

CPU: Zen2, 8core, 16thread - 3.2Ghz
GPU: 40CU, 2.15ghz, 11tf (full chip has 44CU's), 576GB/s memory speed on 256-bit bus
Storage: NVMe 1TB, 2.5GB/s speed
Ram: 16GB Vram + 4GB ddr4

As I was so close for XsX I thought I make another as the PS5 still hasn't leaked, this was my latest prediction for XsX

"Xbox S X: 12TF GPU (1803mhz, 52CU), 16GB Vram 320bit bus, 560GB/S Memory bandwidth, $500

They all will have 8Core zen2 CPU and 1TB SSD at NVMe speed. The GPU will be custom RDNA1 and they be using tsmc 7nm EUV."

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9091226

He is asking for all discs from PS1 and PS2 to be immediatly playable on PS5. You won't have that in Series X, first his backlog on PS won't be playable on Xbox for obvious reason, second not all X1 and X360 games will have BC on XSX, and third the ones that have you need to download so you don't really read from the disc as far as we know. So his reason to change to Xbox for something that it also won't do doesn't make that much sense.

 PS4 and Xbox One had virtually identical specs at launch and both sold similar numbers over the first month or so, it wasn't until the disparity between games became evident that PS4 really pulled ahead. 

I'd rather be starving for news than starving for games. PS4 is still going strong with quite a lot of content that XB1 will never get. Nioh 2, Dreams, P5R, GoT, TLoU Part II, and FF7 Remake isn't coming to XBox for at least another year.

Wow... they hit ~10,3 Tflops with only 36 CU's?

Xbox Series X, uses 52 CU's.
This might be a much smaller chip (inside the playstation 5).

Hopefully this means PS5 has like a 100$ price tag advantage at stores.

How does the cpu compare? 4x better? 5x?

Zed 2 is like x2-3 the performance of equal jaguar cores ones, i think, theres a massive differnce between these architectures.
Ontop of that, 3.5Ghz > 1.6Ghz  (x2.2)

Somewhere between 4 to 6 times, I'd guess.

Their interface is indeed impressive but the presentation was not at that part when I made this post.

The best part is the expandable storage via m.2 drives because 800 GB of internal SSD storage won't cut it given how bloated installs of AAA nowadays are.

~15% differnce in performance isnt enough to make me go xbox, even if it was priced the same.
I like the ecosystem of the playstation, and that they have alot of japanese games.

Hopefully its cheaper, but I guess it would still sell more than xbox even if their priced the same.

The "256bit bus"  + "only 36CU" (gpu) means the chip is gonna be alot smaller than the Xbox Series X's.
So they should have room for a price advantage.

You'll be repeating that over, and over, and over again.

Despite the fact it is GDC week, the beginning of the episode making it clear it is about GDC, and that your very first post has a tweet about it being GDC.. oh and the 50+ mentions of GDC in this thread.. various people seem to have missed the fact this was a GDC video.

You are wrong. They said the system can always run in boost mode. It will drop frequency if the game in question doesn't require that power.

10,3 vs 12,15

However the GPU parts of the Playstation 5, run at higher speeds.
(which effects other things than just the Tflops numbers)

So differnce is less than 15% imo.

Ram 520 GB/s vs 448 GB/s = ~14%

However I dont think it ll matter, both will run 4k games.

For me Sony solution (including SSD 3rd party slot, dedicated 3D audio chip, decompression chip, etc) seemed like a very smart trade off on small quantity of power for big gains in price and dimension.

3.8ghz vs 3.5ghz =  ~7.9% differnce in cpu speeds.

10.3 Tflop vs 12,15 Tflops = ~15% differnce in gpu compute flops.
(however theres small advantages to other parts of the GPU running faster speeds (PS5 gpu parts clock higher), so its probably less than 15%)

It shouldn't be close to a 30% differnce, its looking more like a less than 15% thingy.

In that case, Xbox won the design choices imo.
If their priced the same, and the xbox series x is like 15% faster, that means they spent their budget better.

I still think Playstation 5 will be cheaper.

Why?

36 CU vs 52 CU = ~45% differnce.

256bit bus vs 320bit bus = ~25% differnce.

Thats alot of "space saved" on the chip side of things (for the playstation 5).
A smaller chip means cheaper to produce (the chip part atleast).

PS5 and XSX seem to have the same number of ROPs. So PS5 is 2.25/1.825 times faster than XSX. PS5 and XSX seem to have the same geometry engines. So PS5 is 2.25/1.825 times faster than XSX. Gpu cache access in the PS5 is 2.25/1.825 times faster than XSX (this is a big thing for RT).

We don't know about ROPs yet. And the "higher clock is better" thing seemed to work great for Xbox One which had 12 CUs at 853 MHz vs PS4's 18CUs at 800 MHz

Based purely on numbers alone the PS5 is <15% weaker/slower/whatever than the XSX, but has a much faster SSD which could help close the gap or something? I mean, I was expecting to the XSX to be the more powerful console anyway, which I'm sort of hoping means the PS5 will be the cheaper of the two.

The bad news is a SSD that matches PS5 standards still don't exist, maybe they appear by the next year.

PS5 also has a smaller sized SSD.
820 GB vs 1000 GB.
Though it may work faster than the one in XBSX.

But yeah, they don't sound like they will cost the same to me.
Or rather, XSX sounds more expensive to manufacture.

AMD custom made the GPU and CPU for each console. They only share the same architechture (navi 2/rdna 2). 

Switch is clearly alot weaker than the base PS4 model (probably like you say 4.5x).
Yes theres more to a GPU than flops.... but they still matter (esp in this case, PS5 vs XBSX, were both are same architecture).

enough with the derailing Nu-13, its not a switch thread.

Switch is 397 Gflops (0,397 Tflops docked)
Playstation 4 is 1,840 Gflops (1,840 Tflops)

Does switch punch above its weight? maybe.... go ahead and give it another 10% or 20% in score, when compaireing it to the PS4.
The playstation is still like 4x more power.

Both consoles ram could be higher, but do people really want BC for PS3/2/1 That badly? I had all those consoles but PS4 BC is all I care about as I still have those games.

Suppose you could use PS Now for PS3 games but that doesn't really interest me. 

Several of the points speaked were on line of reducing the load on the RAM and texture filling it up. But sure I would also liked more.

But again PS goes the unified RAM and Xbox two different pools.

This.  There is no reason to assume that older PS games _can't_ be emulated.  I rather suspect that PSN/PS1/PS2 will be what it has been on the PS4, assuming they need to/can renegotiate licenses for the PS5.  If they make a disc emulator so you can just pop in PS1/PS2 discs and have them work, I will be super surprised.  

I still highly doubt PS3 BC disc or downloads, but maybe just maybe the PS5 fast/powerful enough to emulate the PS3.

“We had to bake some of the backwards compatibility support into the [Xbox One] silicon.” Considering the first back-compat 360 games didn’t hit Xbox One until 2015, that’s mightily impressive foresight. 

https://www.gamesradar.com/how-xbox-one-x-emulation-technology-is-helping-to-resurrect-the-last-two-generations-of-xbox-classics-in-4k/

Perhaps he was surprised at how well they made it or perhaps there is some misleading between the baked in being specifically for BC or something they were able to make use. (Like when I said the 3D audio chip in PS5 working like SPE then perhaps it could be used to BS PS3).

Id rather you respond to me then take a false moral high road (I mean cmon we talking video games here). You missed my entire point. This thread isn’t about games, this is about hardware. We know games define the system. And to me, how the upstart Xbox brand having a win for the first time in literally years.

You ranting how Xbox’s games don’t appeal to you...just a tip  if you want to hide the amount of salt in your words dont go on a rant like that. 

You like games I like games...that isn’t what the thread is about. Your deflection and telling your fellow fans to “fall in line” speaks volumes. 

I think you completely misunderstood what I was trying to say. My point was that I was conceding that this topic wasn't for me and that I really have no place continuing. you interpreted it as the exact opposite of my intention. 

Also, your last post in this thread actually got a thumbs up from me. I just didn't wanna quote it because I didn't want to give the impression that my reply was exclusively to you.

I'm not sure if they exist on the market as of now. Cerny said that "At the time of my Wired interview, the ones on PC had 3.5 GB/s". And that the ones they're testing these days "come in at 4 or 5 GB/s".
The one you linked seems to be "4950MB/s read, 4250MB/s".

The one in PS5 will be 5.5/s.
Not sure if that exists yet on the market, but the point was that we'll need to get only those that are at least 5.5/s. There may be some other qualifications as well, since he didn't just say "anything at 5.5 or above" but rather "wait till you hear from us." The physical dimensions may be one.

Yeah, that's interesting. Glad that paid off for them too.

Thanks for the reminder. He did indeed say that a commercial M2 drive would require "a little more speed to make up for the issues that arise from the different approach". 
Referring to how the commercial drive would typically only have 2 true priority levels, while thee one in PS5 will have 6.
It would also need to physically fit in the PS5, since there's no standard for the height of the drive.

Edited that into my post.

Well, since I was already there to watch the presentation, I decided to give it a look. I had nothing better to do to be honest...

GDC as you very wisely said before is for developers, is not an event I'm really into

I thought of it and as I said many times: you can talk about what a console specs can do without spending 1 hour with a Power Point about 3D Sound and SSDs. That's not "deep dive into PS5s architecture and how it will shape the future of games". That's overkill. But, since it was supposed to be a GDC talk, it's ok I guess. Althought I think even the people who were there might got bored xD

I don't really like were the Playstation brand is going since the PS3. Most of the exclusive IPs I liked have either become multiplatform... or have been completely lost in time. And most new 3rd party franchises are multiplatform as well. On top of that, Sony's current first party titles are mostly western, story-driven games with a mid to full mature tone that, for the most part... is not what I'm looking for. Sure, they throw a Gravity Rush, Astro Bot or Ratchet and Clank here and there... but those are a minority. Microsoft is similiar, so given that their next console specs are not too different... the element that really makes the difference for me is backwards compatibility. PS5 has it with PS4. Series X has it with One, 360 and OG Xbox. So... I get Series X. You may be wondering: "Why not a PC". And, while I have no reason to give you more explanations, here it is: I don't feel comfortable playing on a PC. So... what's that you don't understand?

Why should I search for any more information? Sony says: "Tomorrow we are gonna take a look at PS5 specs and what can be achieved with them". That's what most news websites said. The GDC thing is something you have to look for. But I don't know why I would look for something I don't even know is there. Sony made an announcement. I got ready to be there at the right time. Also for your information, the fact that I posted at a certain hour doesn't mean I read the article at the same time. Sometimes I read a topic and I don't comment. Then I go back and I do. But I don't necesarily read the entire OP again. The same goes for reading ALL of the comments in the thread. I may start reading at X page, not necesarily at page 1. And not necesarily EVERY comment. I may be interested in just a conversation.

Dude, you got nothing on me. You tried. Again. And you failed. Again. If this is all you have to say, I'm leaving now. I pity you though. Have a nice day.

I don't know if you're referring to something I didn't read. But I only read that Pemalite said that CuCabeludo was incorrect about it not existing on the market yet.
That's not the same as saying Sony are lying, because CuCabeludo could have misinterpreted something.