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Seems like a very good start and debunking a lot of rumors on small SSD, giant fab, etc.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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Video says "hands on", but then it barely shows any gameplay of anything. "Hands on" should mean "hands on a controller". Weak.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
Video says "hands on", but then it barely shows any gameplay of anything. "Hands on" should mean "hands on a controller". Weak.

I expected they to at least try and compare to what they had on the previous videos talking about the approximation of the HW for 12Tf on Xbox Series X and 9Tf for PS5. How close was that assumption compared to what they saw now? They didn't have RAM specs, SDD nor the details on CPU+GPU.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Now that is what I call Fap worthy!



             

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Landed pretty much exactly where I thought, it was 52CU's and not 56CU's as some thought because of github leak, and 360mm2 die and not 400mm2 as a lot of people said after Phil spencer chip picture release. I think it will be 360mm2 tsmc EUV. The asian leaker said 350mm2 for XsX (300mm2 for PS5).

What interesting is the SSD, it's 2.4GB/S speed but 5GB/s speed with some technique, I wonder if PS5 has something similiar 3GB/s and 7GB/s+ with this technique.

Didn't DF say it was 56CU. 4 are turned off due to potential in performance differences between similar hardware or something. I forgot the exact terminology.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Yep the full chip in XsX has 56CU's and 4 of them are disable for total of 52 active CU's.



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Looks beefy, but with caveats:

1. The memory. Not only it's weird split between 10GB and 6GB, but also the fact that it's only 16 GB total. Most modern high-end PCs are already at 32GB, and they don't need to share that with the GPU. And as the RX 5600 shows, 6GB VRAM are already starting to become a limiting factor in 1440p, so the amount of RAM left for the CPU is pretty small right off the start. Microsoft tried to soften the blow with virtual memory from the SSD, but even the fastest SSD can't keep up with DRAM chips and the whole program will become noticeable slower when it has to draw from virtual memory at any point.

2. proprietary SSD. That external SSD extension will certainly not be cheap, remember those from the 360 or the Vita? And considering the size AAA games will have next gen, 1 TB will fill up very fast.

3. The price. Certainly won't be cheap, $499 is really the floor, and that's sold at a loss.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
Video says "hands on", but then it barely shows any gameplay of anything. "Hands on" should mean "hands on a controller". Weak.

Hands on the console. This is a console specs reveal, not a games reveal. We know the vast load time differences and the suspend/resume feature in action, is that not enough?

I hope you see the irony of using the word “weak” compared to how much we know from the competition at the moment. This is a goldmine by comparison



 

 

Memory Cards:




             

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Captain_Yuri said:
Memory Cards:


remember Sony patent a memory card in 2019? . It seems PS5 will follow the same concept https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/19/ps5-cartridge-giant-memory-card-sounds-expensive-11181611/



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Looks beefy, but with caveats:

1. The memory. Not only it's weird split between 10GB and 6GB, but also the fact that it's only 16 GB total. Most modern high-end PCs are already at 32GB, and they don't need to share that with the GPU. And as the RX 5600 shows, 6GB VRAM are already starting to become a limiting factor in 1440p, so the amount of RAM left for the CPU is pretty small right off the start. Microsoft tried to soften the blow with virtual memory from the SSD, but even the fastest SSD can't keep up with DRAM chips and the whole program will become noticeable slower when it has to draw from virtual memory at any point.

2. proprietary SSD. That external SSD extension will certainly not be cheap, remember those from the 360 or the Vita? And considering the size AAA games will have next gen, 1 TB will fill up very fast.

3. The price. Certainly won't be cheap, $499 is really the floor, and that's sold at a loss.

You don't need the external SSD and you also can have the regular HDD and transfer the data to the internal drive (last gen you can play from HDD).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994