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DonFerrari said:
Well I doubt the validity of this survey.
I can certainly agree that Playstation have been able to retain its customer base much better than the other 2. But brand loyalty itself Nintendo almost certainly win, just look at the longeivity of their IPs.

Isn’t there a difference between brand loyal to a company and one to a game? People will love Mario today when they played it as a child in the 80s. Or myself loving Halo but I don’t believe Xbox is lumped in with it. Like I could play it in PC if I wanted. 

Imo Nintendo wins in terms of IP loyalty but Sony wins in company loyalty



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RJTM1991 said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

And the vita didn't show that about Sony too?

One was a handheld, the other was a mainline console.

Talking about a brand, you have to mention every product of that company, suddenly vita don't count? Is there any Sony system could sell even 10 million with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U?

DonFerrari said:
RJTM1991 said:

One was a handheld, the other was a mainline console.

And I would say PSVita had more games than WiiU plus it was pushed a lot (in comparison to regular playstation) in Japan where HH done much better in the last couple gens.

More games and? Is there any vita games that sold more than 2 million? And if there is, how many of them?



sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:
Well I doubt the validity of this survey.
I can certainly agree that Playstation have been able to retain its customer base much better than the other 2. But brand loyalty itself Nintendo almost certainly win, just look at the longeivity of their IPs.

Isn’t there a difference between brand loyal to a company and one to a game? People will love Mario today when they played it as a child in the 80s. Or myself loving Halo but I don’t believe Xbox is lumped in with it. Like I could play it in PC if I wanted. 

Imo Nintendo wins in terms of IP loyalty but Sony wins in company loyalty

I would agree there is a difference.

But when people are loyal to like 4 or 5 different IPs from said company that for me would be loyalty to the brand even more that when people buy playstation isn`t really loyalty to Sony since it sell more 3rd party games than 1st party (it is slowly changing, but it is still much more for 3rd party content).

HoangNhatAnh said:
RJTM1991 said:

One was a handheld, the other was a mainline console.

Talking about a brand, you have to mention every product of that company, suddenly vita don't count? Is there any Sony system could sell even 10 million with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U?

DonFerrari said:

And I would say PSVita had more games than WiiU plus it was pushed a lot (in comparison to regular playstation) in Japan where HH done much better in the last couple gens.

More games and? Is there any vita games that sold more than 2 million? And if there is, how many of them?

I guess you missed his point on the loyalty.

The fact that WiiU with very few games managed to sell 15M and those games all had humungous  sales ratio show that Nintendo have like 15M diehard fans at least (and we know that there are many Nintendo loyals that didn`t bought WiiU). Plus the drop from PSP to PSVita is quite smaller than Wii to WiiU.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KrspaceT said:
I blame the fact that third parties can't support the Switch even if their business depended on them doing so.

Well apparently not since they are not doing it.



I won't lie. The Super Nintendo was my first console but it was the Playstation that made me a gamer. The PS2 kept the name SONY closely associated with the key games of my childhood. I've always bought multiple consoles but it was always Sony first. The beginning of the PS3 was a trying time but Sony really came through from 2009 onwards. That's 10 Years of just straight up quality dominance.

I'm not at all surprised by that. Nintendo and Microsoft kept trying to chase the casual gamer and they can't be counted on the same way die-hard loyal consumers. Sony doubled down and Nintendo has as well with the Switch.



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DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

Isn’t there a difference between brand loyal to a company and one to a game? People will love Mario today when they played it as a child in the 80s. Or myself loving Halo but I don’t believe Xbox is lumped in with it. Like I could play it in PC if I wanted. 

Imo Nintendo wins in terms of IP loyalty but Sony wins in company loyalty

I would agree there is a difference.

But when people are loyal to like 4 or 5 different IPs from said company that for me would be loyalty to the brand even more that when people buy playstation isn`t really loyalty to Sony since it sell more 3rd party games than 1st party (it is slowly changing, but it is still much more for 3rd party content).

HoangNhatAnh said:

Talking about a brand, you have to mention every product of that company, suddenly vita don't count? Is there any Sony system could sell even 10 million with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U?

More games and? Is there any vita games that sold more than 2 million? And if there is, how many of them?

I guess you missed his point on the loyalty.

The fact that WiiU with very few games managed to sell 15M and those games all had humungous  sales ratio show that Nintendo have like 15M diehard fans at least (and we know that there are many Nintendo loyals that didn`t bought WiiU). Plus the drop from PSP to PSVita is quite smaller than Wii to WiiU.

Agree, psp have only 3 games that sold over 5 million, and all of them are GTA, no more no less. Vita doesn't have any game that pass 2 million so definitely a smaller drop. And now, answer me again: If there is a Sony system with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U, how much could it sell?



HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

I would agree there is a difference.

But when people are loyal to like 4 or 5 different IPs from said company that for me would be loyalty to the brand even more that when people buy playstation isn`t really loyalty to Sony since it sell more 3rd party games than 1st party (it is slowly changing, but it is still much more for 3rd party content).

I guess you missed his point on the loyalty.

The fact that WiiU with very few games managed to sell 15M and those games all had humungous  sales ratio show that Nintendo have like 15M diehard fans at least (and we know that there are many Nintendo loyals that didn`t bought WiiU). Plus the drop from PSP to PSVita is quite smaller than Wii to WiiU.

Agree, psp have only 3 games that sold over 5 million, and all of them are GTA, no more no less. Vita doesn't have any game that pass 2 million so definitely a smaller drop. And now, answer me again: If there is a Sony system with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U, how much could it sell?

Probably around 40M or so. Your point?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Agree, psp have only 3 games that sold over 5 million, and all of them are GTA, no more no less. Vita doesn't have any game that pass 2 million so definitely a smaller drop. And now, answer me again: If there is a Sony system with just 1st party games and indies/late ports like Wii U, how much could it sell?

Probably around 40M or so. Your point?

You know that based on what? Top selling of 1st party games on ps4 aren't more than 16 million so far. Not to mention all of them get sale just after a few month, and after a full year, maybe you can get it for free.

Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 07 February 2020

HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

Probably around 40M or so. Your point?

You know that based on what? Top selling of 1st party games on ps4 aren't more than 16 million so far. Not to mention all of them get sale just after a few month, and after a full year, maybe you can get it for free.

If you know better then give the evidence and reasoning.

PS have had the 1st party increasing in sales every gen, they would also up their 1st party output when forced like they done on PS3 and buy current 3rd parties.

Still now sure your point, I see nowhere Sony fucking up their relationship with 3rd parties and taking like 4 gens to solve the issues.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

HoangNhatAnh said:
DonFerrari said:

Probably around 40M or so. Your point?

You know that based on what? Top selling of 1st party games on ps4 aren't more than 16 million so far. Not to mention all of them get sale just after a few month, and after a full year, maybe you can get it for free.

According to NPD, from 2013 to 2016 only one time PlayStation 4 exclusive managed to chart in the top 20 best selling games of the year! Uncharted at no.12 in 2016(Physical+Digital sales). 
By the end of 2016, PS4 has sold more than 54M units of hardware.

Meanwhile, Nintendo Switch exclusive managed to chart 14 times from 2017-2019 in the top 20 best selling games of the year without digital sales! By the end of 2019, Nintendo Switch has sold more than 52M units of hardware.

Mario Kart 8 - 3 times(10,12,10)
Zelda BOTW - 2 times(5,18)
Super Mario Odyssey - 2 times(9,15)
Super Smash Bros Ultimate - 2 times(5,7)
Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu - 1 time(20)
Pokemon Sword - 1 time(16)
Luigi's Mansion 3 - 1 time(18)
NSMBUD - 1 time(20)
Super Mario Party - 1 time(19)

My prediction for 1st party only sony console is around PS Vita numbers or worse.