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Nautilus on 13 March 2020
SpokenTruth said:
Nautilus said:

It's not me he would lie to.It would be the brasilian people.

And what I meant by the lie being short lived: He would get sick if he was infected and then finally hospitalized. If he disapeared from the public one or two weeks from now(because he would be under treatment), everyone would know that he had the disease and would know he lied.Which would be even worse.Either way people would find out.That's why it's stupid to lie about this, and why there is no reason to believe he lied.

You do know you can be infected and be completely asymptotic, don't you?

Good lord man, read what I wrote again.

If he is infected, it means that the sympthoms will eventually show up.When they show up, people will know that he lied.So there is no use to lie now, if it would be obvious if he had the disease in a few weeks.

There is no advantage to lie.No political advantage, no personal advantage(especially since you can die), etc.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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jason1637 on 13 March 2020
SvennoJ said:

Not comparable to the Swine Flu:
Take social distancing seriously.

UNITED STATES DECLARES NATIONAL EMERGENCY [source]


Coronavirus expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said:
"These kind of things generally run out in a few months. Hopefully, we'll make it several weeks. Eight, nine, whatever weeks, but I can't give you a number, because it depends on how successful we are" (with mitigation and containment measures). Earlier today, Dr. Fauci had said that: [video]

  • It’s certainly going to get worse before it gets better
  • Crisis will last for at least several weeks and possibly 2 months or more
  • Complete shut down like in Italy and China is not off the table. "We just have to respond as things evolve over the days and over the weeks"

Worst Case Scenario by CDC (if no actions taken) [source]

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected (Worst case scenario). Dr. Lawler, an infectious diseases specialist, provided a “best guess” projections of 96 million people

Could last months or even over a year

As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die. Dr. Lawler’s calculations: 480,000 deaths, which he said was conservative

By contrast, 20,000 to 50,000 people have died from flu-related illnesses this season according to CDC.

2.4 million to 21 million people in the U.S. could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill

CDC also mentioned it could subsdie over the summer and return in the fall.



Nighthawk117 on 13 March 2020

You know, today at work I was thinking about this Covid-19 thing.....What if it mutates? What do we call that? Covid-19a, or Covid-20?
Would another mutation be Covid-19b, etc, etc.... Say there's a mutation next year, do we call that Covid-20 or Covid-21?

Not trying to be anal, but maybe this shit has just begun....On a positive note: Enjoy your self imposed weekend quarantines! Movies and videogames for all - no sports, bummer.



SvennoJ on 13 March 2020
John2290 said:

I watched the conference but perhaps I missed something cause I missed that 480,000 calculation, did they address the fees of all this? Will it be free to people? Will the government fund these hospitalizations or will it have to cross a certain trehold of severity and with so many sick surely they have to write the cost of this off as the US starts to rebuild or get the reigns back on the economy. Did they even adress if tests will be free? 

And what is the time frame on these deaths and how many whitin the intital spike? Any info there?

I have no idea. I did read somewhere that tests would be free but that could be a different country, I start getting them all mixed up. US did reserve 1 trillion to fight the pandemic I think.

That estimate is the worst case scenario if we don't act. It's to get people to start taking this seriously. If we contain it, it will be a fraction of that, hopefully.

Nautilus said:

Considering the incubation period, the crisis lasting somewhere around 1 to 2 months was expected.

The question is then what. After we contain this by essentially shutting the country down, any vaccine is likely still a year out. And it's 1 to 2 months to reach its current peak. Wuhan is still not in the clear and I would like to know more about what China is doing now to stop it from spreading again.



Nautilus on 13 March 2020
SpokenTruth said:
Nautilus said:

Good lord man, read what I wrote again.

If he is infected, it means that the sympthoms will eventually show up.When they show up, people will know that he lied.So there is no use to lie now, if it would be obvious if he had the disease in a few weeks.

There is no advantage to lie.No political advantage, no personal advantage(especially since you can die), etc.

Good lord man, read what I wrote again.

You do know what asymptomatic means, right?

The test is meant to detect that sort of thing.If he took it and it said no, then that's it.If he took it and decided to lie, then we fall not what I explained three times by this point.

If the test can't detect when the virus is dormant, then he didn't lie in the first place.

Why are you trying to pick this fight with me?I really don't get it.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Nautilus on 13 March 2020
SvennoJ said:
John2290 said:

I watched the conference but perhaps I missed something cause I missed that 480,000 calculation, did they address the fees of all this? Will it be free to people? Will the government fund these hospitalizations or will it have to cross a certain trehold of severity and with so many sick surely they have to write the cost of this off as the US starts to rebuild or get the reigns back on the economy. Did they even adress if tests will be free? 

And what is the time frame on these deaths and how many whitin the intital spike? Any info there?

I have no idea. I did read somewhere that tests would be free but that could be a different country, I start getting them all mixed up. US did reserve 1 trillion to fight the pandemic I think.

That estimate is the worst case scenario if we don't act. It's to get people to start taking this seriously. If we contain it, it will be a fraction of that, hopefully.

Nautilus said:

Considering the incubation period, the crisis lasting somewhere around 1 to 2 months was expected.

The question is then what. After we contain this by essentially shutting the country down, any vaccine is likely still a year out. And it's 1 to 2 months to reach its current peak. Wuhan is still not in the clear and I would like to know more about what China is doing now to stop it from spreading again.

Then we go back to the point I was trying to make.People have to live their lifes.Take the necessary measures, but nothing more can be done about it without a vaccine or a cure.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

jason1637 on 13 March 2020

Idaho just had their first confirmed case. That leaves West Virginia as the only state with no cases.



super_etecoon on 13 March 2020

Well they just shut the schools down in my part of California at least until March 31. Of course it's the proper measure, but I feel really bad for families who depend on the school system as a form of daycare while they are at work. I could see a lot of teens making some decent babysitter money during this time if they're up to the challenge. Of course, many folks may not have to go to work anyway if business remains slow throughout this time.



SvennoJ on 13 March 2020
Nautilus said:

Then we go back to the point I was trying to make.People have to live their lifes.Take the necessary measures, but nothing more can be done about it without a vaccine or a cure.

By that time we'll see what "have to live their lives" will mean. Just going back to what it was before, without a vaccine, will just start this whole mess back up again. Hence I'm curious to know what the necessary measures are atm in China.



haxxiy on 13 March 2020
SvennoJ said:
Nautilus said:

Then we go back to the point I was trying to make.People have to live their lifes.Take the necessary measures, but nothing more can be done about it without a vaccine or a cure.

By that time we'll see what "have to live their lives" will mean. Just going back to what it was before, without a vaccine, will just start this whole mess back up again. Hence I'm curious to know what the necessary measures are atm in China.

China is basically on lockdown still, with the full weight of the authoritarian government behind it and the promise, so far, things will be back to normal after another month. We'll see how that goes.

But when people have been locked in their homes for a month or two, probably depressed and running low on money, to take the risk of a 1% death rate disease will start to sound very, very tempting.

Even now you probably have at least a solid 20% of the population who would want no measures at all.