Quartz said: I don't think it's a weak reponse from authorities - heck in the UK 2cm of snow and everyone runs to Tesco for milk and bread like the world is going to end! On main point - the same site/source that you quoted has the common flu deaths currently in the same period at 87026 deaths with 520 deaths as of today (at time of writing). Yes you could argue that the common Flu has a current high infection rate to low death rate and is 'common'. It is really about Scale/Response/Resources to commit. Each government/country will have the own threshold of response depending on the outbreak. [Edit] Here in the UK for example we have this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

And that's the whole problem right there. This needs global coordination to slow it down and get it under control.

The WHO doesn't call upon governments to get their act together and coordinate the entire government to tackle the Flu. The long incubation period is making it more dangerous.

HoangNhatAnh said: Quartz said: Current CDC information with regard to all this: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html These are reported cases. [Edit] US information. Love this so much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQfaSJ3cSIs

I'd rather people appear to ask a stupid questions than not ask at all. 

In fact the flu vaccination is modified when a new strain of flu happens.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/how-flu-vaccine-works/

"Flu vaccines protect against 3 or 4 types of flu virus (usually 2 A types and 1 or 2 B types). Vaccine manufacturers produce flu vaccines based on WHO's recommendations."

Edit: As far as I can see the President was asking if the current Flu vaccinations could have a impact on the Coronavirus. Of course he aint a doctor and I'm pretty sure there are people in the world seeking a distinction and clarification of such.

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SvennoJ said: Quartz said: I don't think it's a weak reponse from authorities - heck in the UK 2cm of snow and everyone runs to Tesco for milk and bread like the world is going to end! On main point - the same site/source that you quoted has the common flu deaths currently in the same period at 87026 deaths with 520 deaths as of today (at time of writing). Yes you could argue that the common Flu has a current high infection rate to low death rate and is 'common'. It is really about Scale/Response/Resources to commit. Each government/country will have the own threshold of response depending on the outbreak. [Edit] Here in the UK for example we have this: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid And that's the whole problem right there. This needs global coordination to slow it down and get it under control. The WHO doesn't call upon governments to get their act together and coordinate the entire government to tackle the Flu. The long incubation period is making it more dangerous.

I understand your concern with regards to the outbreak and incubation times. However in the UK we do have a system in place as explained in the source I provided which was from the UK government.  As for a gobal movement on this problem, the best that can be done is put the situation into the public conscience. You can't exactly force people to stay at home and not operate, doing that would do even more damage to the country. 

As far as I was last aware the AUS government was working on a vaccine.

Just a quick google search https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-announces-2-million-for-coronavirus-vaccine/news-story/fe947f696fb5e400b8083055cc6bead9

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I like this website. It's the official ARG version of Plague Inc.

First death in the UK not many sources on it surprisingly (Or I need my eyes tested!)...
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-scotland-live-three-people-21632534
Royal Berkshire Hosptial in Reading. Can't find any data on the persons age or pre exisiting conditions...

Could make a really good Plauge Inc. mod. (Yeah probably too soon to joke).

Quartz said: SvennoJ said: And that's the whole problem right there. This needs global coordination to slow it down and get it under control. The WHO doesn't call upon governments to get their act together and coordinate the entire government to tackle the Flu. The long incubation period is making it more dangerous. I understand your concern with regards to the outbreak and incubation times. However in the UK we do have a system in place as explained in the source I provided which was from the UK government.  As for a gobal movement on this problem, the best that can be done is put the situation into the public conscience. You can't exactly force people to stay at home and not operate, doing that would do even more damage to the country.  As far as I was last aware the AUS government was working on a vaccine. Just a quick google search https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/scott-morrison-announces-2-million-for-coronavirus-vaccine/news-story/fe947f696fb5e400b8083055cc6bead9

Testing a promising vaccine candidate will begin in April, but it will still at least be a year before any type of mass production can begin if it turns out to be successful.

This is what I am referring to

Leadership from the top: We call on country leaders to mobilize their plans, coordinating every part of government, not just the health ministry – security, diplomacy, finance, commerce, transport, trade, information and more – the whole government should be involved. #COVID19

— Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (@DrTedros) March 5, 2020

Leadership from the top: We call on country leaders to mobilize their plans, coordinating every part of government, not just the health ministry – security, diplomacy, finance, commerce, transport, trade, information and more – the whole government should be involved.

We're concerned that in some countries the level of political commitment & the actions that demonstrate that commitment don't match the level of the threat we all face. This is NOT a drill NOT the time to give up NOT a time for excuses This is a time for pulling out all the stops.

For example countries can check the temperature of every passenger at boarding and arrival. They can scan everything else... However then what... There are no further tests in place that can be performed at scale. So we'll just keep going like Lemmings over a cliff!

And yep the problem is, the mindset is still, taking big steps will do even more damage to the country.


Today's update for Canada

1 in Ontario: a person who traveled to Las Vegas for an international conference [source]
8 in British Columbia: 1 has no travel history, 2 had recently returned from Iran, 4 are linked to a previously confirmed case, 1 is connected to University Canada West where a presumptive case is being investigated [source]
1 in Alberta: a woman in her 50s from the Calgary area who had been on board of the Grand Princess cruise ship, which is currently quarantined off the coast of California awaiting tests for all passengers and crew [source]

I guess Canada will soon also change the risk from low, to low to moderate.

Quartz said: First death in the UK not many sources on it surprisingly (Or I need my eyes tested!)... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-scotland-live-three-people-21632534 Royal Berkshire Hosptial in Reading. Can't find any data on the persons age or pre exisiting conditions... Could make a really good Plauge Inc. mod. (Yeah probably too soon to joke).

The link is on the Plague site ;)

https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/

Sadly, we can confirm that an older patient with underlying health conditions has died. The patient has previously been in and out of hospital for non-coronavirus reasons, but on this occasion was admitted and last night tested positive for coronavirus.

The family has been informed and our thoughts are with them at this difficult time.

We will not be commenting further and ask that everybody respects the family’s privacy.

Public Health England is contacting anyone who may have come into contact with the affected patient to offer advice.

All services and appointments at the hospital are running normally. The Trust is following established guidelines to minimise the risk of the virus spreading.

Cool thanks for the info. I don't have a Twitter account and I don't actively follow it.
So yeah in short the WHO Director General is calling for leaders to take it more seriously.

SvennoJ said: Quartz said: First death in the UK not many sources on it surprisingly (Or I need my eyes tested!)... https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-scotland-live-three-people-21632534 Royal Berkshire Hosptial in Reading. Can't find any data on the persons age or pre exisiting conditions... Could make a really good Plauge Inc. mod. (Yeah probably too soon to joke). The link is on the Plague site ;) https://www.royalberkshire.nhs.uk/ Sadly, we can confirm that an older patient with underlying health conditions has died. The patient has previously been in and out of hospital for non-coronavirus reasons, but on this occasion was admitted and last night tested positive for coronavirus. The family has been informed and our thoughts are with them at this difficult time. We will not be commenting further and ask that everybody respects the family’s privacy. Public Health England is contacting anyone who may have come into contact with the affected patient to offer advice. All services and appointments at the hospital are running normally. The Trust is following established guidelines to minimise the risk of the virus spreading.

Cheers. Seems I need my eyes testing, this is what happens when you're replying and watching Youtube videos.

To be fair, if you have the option of taking this year's flu vaccine, I'd suggest you take it. Not only you'll make it easier for health professionals to correctly diagnose if you show up in a hospital or clinic with respiratory symptoms, but it'll also diminish your chances of coinfection. From what I've seen, this is going to be the plan for a lot of southern hemisphere countries as fall and winter approach.