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Trumpstyle said:
JRPGfan said:

Its crazy that Russia + Uk + Sweden is like 70% of the new daily cases in europe atm.

The sweden one hurts (imo), their our neighbors and we have bridge we danes can take to easily cross over to sweden.
Which is allowed for work, but apparently normal people have been makeing use of (who shouldn't be).

Danes are welcomed to Sweden, I hope your country will show the same courtesy as I'm sure there are many Swedes that want to visit Tivoli this summer.

Our Prime Minister decides.... Im sure once Rt is low enough, and the amount of total infected in sweden is low enough, you'll all be allowed back in.

sethnintendo said:

This is what happens when you have an idiot president make disinfectant suggestions to his followers that aren't the brightest bulbs of the bunch. Someone help I'm living in nation surrounded by idiots! 

It was a small study of only 500 so let's just hope they just ran into a few outliers.  Washing fruits and vegetables with bleach, inhaling vapors from cleaners and gargling/drinking bleach.... Also people potentially making chlorine gas by mixing vinegar with bleach (I'm sure some also tried ammonia and bleach). What is wrong with these people?

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-dangerous-cleaning-practices.html

"However, there were dangerous gaps in their knowledge. For example, only about one-third said that bleach should not be mixed with vinegar. This mixture can produce chlorine gas, which can cause irritation of the eyes, throat and nose and potentially lead to breathing problems, Live Science previously reported.

What's more, 39% of participants said they had engaged in potentially harmful cleaning practices in the last month in an effort to prevent COVID-19. For example, 19% said they had used bleach to wash food items such as fruits and vegetables, which is not recommended because ingesting bleach is hazardous. (People should use plain water to wash fruits and vegetables, Live Science previously reported.)

In addition, 18% reported using household cleaners or disinfectant products on their hands or skin, 10% reported misting their body with a cleaning or disinfectant spray, 6% reported inhaling vapors from household cleansers or disinfectants and 4% reported drinking or gargling diluted bleach solutions."

This is so stupid it boggles the mind.

"I have a sore throat! I better go gargle some bleach, and afterwards damp a cloth over my face, and sit down and inhale some cleaning vapores"
(dont wanna catch that covid19)

Those 19% fruit washers..... okay thats stupid.
Those 6% vapor inhaleing house cleansers & disinfectants...... thats the next level, obviously not good for your health.
Those 4% reported drinking & gargling diluted bleach...... congratualtions, its a miracle your own stupidity hasn't killed you already.



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Update from Denmark:
81 people are hospitalised for covid19.
15 people are in the ICU because of covid19.
10 people are on ventilators.

I really wish this stupid virus would go away already.



Ka-pi96 said:
sundin13 said:

This is going a bit off topic, but I've always felt like this argument didn't make much sense. When you look at all of the things which contribute to the cost of an item, labor costs make up a small portion of it. There is also ingredient/goods costs and overheads to consider. There is also the consideration that minimum wage increases do not apply to every worker, so you are not seeing a 10% increase in overall wage costs when you increase the minimum wage 10%.

As such, the data that I've found indicated that a 10% increase of minimum wage tends to increase cost of goods by about 0.4% (some studies find it to be higher for food service/fast food, but still not anywhere close to 10%). That means the people who see their wages increased 10% get a significant increase in buying power while everyone else gets a very minor decrease in buying power.

https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/does-increasing-minimum-wage-lead-higher-prices

"By looking at changes in restaurant food pricing during the period of 1978–2015, MacDonald and Nilsson find that prices rose by just 0.36 percent for every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, which is only about half the size reported in previous studies. They also observe that small minimum wage increases do not lead to higher prices and may actually reduce prices. Furthermore, it is also possible that small minimum wage increases could lead to increased employment in low-wage labor markets."

I did say "meaningful pay increases" though. I'm sure smaller amounts would be easy (as long as CEOs are willing to temper their greed for "ALL THE MONEY" a little bit. But is a 10% increase really that meaningful?

Sorry, I don't think I was entirely clear. 10% is just an interval not a ceiling. This is discussing what happens for every 10% increase in minimum wage. That means if you increase minimum wage 10% you increase costs ~0.4%, which continues to roughly 20%:0.8%; 30%:1.2% etc.

That said, an ~$0.80/hour increase would be an increase in $1664/year for a full time job which could very much be a meaningful increase for someone making ~$16k/year.



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/couple-s-deaths-minutes-apart-a-reminder-the-pandemic-isn-t-over-says-toronto-doctor-1.4972165

“This pandemic is only over for people who don't survive it,” wrote Toronto physician Dr. Abdu Sharkawy in a tweet Friday about the couple’s death. 
He hopes to convince those believing the worst of the pandemic is over that it’s not the case, especially in Ontario and Quebec.


It seems most people here assume the risk has passed, at least by the behavior I observe daily. Groups of people hanging out together are growing, camp sites are getting more busy (seriously this is not the time to go 'live' closer on top of each other) It is still 'forbidden' to have groups over 5 people that are not from the same (living together) family. And despite not meeting any goals, Ford wants to go ahead with phase 2 of re-openings.

Premier Doug Ford is signalling that he could announce the next phase of loosening Ontario's pandemic restrictions as early as next week, despite a recent uptick in new cases of COVID-19. "I was through all sorts of charts this morning, and overall, things are looking more positive," he said during his daily news briefing on Thursday.

The province's top criteria for further easing its semi-lockdown is a consistent decline over a two- to four-week period in the daily number of new cases. That benchmark has not declined consistently in the three weeks since May 14, when Ford announced Ontario's first stage of looser restrictions, including allowing non-essential retail stores outside of shopping malls to open for customers. Since that date, Ontario's daily number of reported new cases dipped below 300 only twice. The daily average in that period has been 371. The average number of new cases daily has trended upward for the past week.

Meanwhile the pending cases test backlog is going back up. We were down to under 3K back log, now over 12K pending again. Testing has finally met its goal of 16K tests per day for at least one day.

here are some positive trends in Ontario's data reported by the provincial Health Ministry:

  • Hospitalization numbers have been steadily declining. As of Thursday, there were 776 people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ontario hospitals, the lowest number since April 14.
  • The number of long-term care homes with outbreaks of COVID-19 is decreasing. As of Thursday, there were active outbreaks in 89 homes, the fewest since mid-April.
  • Ontario's labs completed 20,822 tests in the 24 hours leading up until Thursday morning, more than any day during the pandemic.

Still, the province's top public health officials have indicated that it's essential they see a steady reduction in the number of daily new cases daily before recommending a move to Stage 2.

Hospitalizations will naturally lag behind any new upticks. It will be a while until the people dismissed from hospitals are lower again than new arrivals from upticks. Hence it's so important to test quickly and efficiently to gauge how infections are growing, which will infect more people, which will cause the hospitalization rate to go back up a few weeks later and the reported deaths after that.



Current state of the world, 127K new cases daily, 115% increase week over week. Just over 5K reported deaths daily.


South America passed 1 million total cases and grows to 42K cases daily (33%) and 1600 deaths (31%)
1. Brazil 29.8K cases daily, 1250 deaths daily
2. Chile 4.6K cases daily, 87 deaths daily
3. Peru 4.2K cases daily, 132 deaths daily

Asia is in second place, growing to 32.6K cases daily (26%) and 615 deaths (12%)
1. India 9.7K cases daily, 274 deaths daily
2. Pakistan 4.2K cases daily, 72 deaths daily
3. Iran 3.2K cases daily, 64 deaths daily

North America remains steady around 29K cases daily (23%) and 1960 deaths (38%)
1. USA 23K cases daily, 1030 deaths daily
2. Mexico 4.1K cases daily, 790 deaths daily
3. Canada 640 cases daily, 103 deaths daily

Europe glides down to 17K cases daily (13%) and 800 deaths (16%)
1. Russia 8.7K cases daily, 164 deaths daily
2. UK 1775 cases daily, 300 deaths daily
3. Sweden 1000 cases daily, 57 deaths daily

Africa grows to 6.5K cases daily (5%) and 141 deaths (3%)
1. South Africa 2.5K cases daily, 51 deaths daily
2. Egypt 1200 cases daily, 38 deaths daily
3. Nigeria 340 cases daily, 7 deaths daily

Oceania is down to 10 new cases per day.

The 3 biggest contributors, Brazil, USA and India make up 50% of the total new cases each day.



Trumpstyle said:
JRPGfan said:

Its crazy that Russia + Uk + Sweden is like 70% of the new daily cases in europe atm.

The sweden one hurts (imo), their our neighbors and we have bridge we danes can take to easily cross over to sweden.
Which is allowed for work, but apparently normal people have been makeing use of (who shouldn't be).

Resently a gymnasium class was sent home, back to online teaching, because a group of 10 went on a "field" trip themselves to sweden in the weekend.
They wanted to see, and experiance how differntly things were in sweden (ei. basically no lockdown at all).

What happend? they came back and 6 outta the 10, got the virus.
They closed down the gymnasium class, and told them all to go home to study online, because these guys had a field trip.

We've had stupid women that go to sweden to use a gym! or get hair cuts!
We've had stupid danes that go there to buy cheap soft drinks! like what the hell.

And without a doubt, its causeing our handleing of the virus (and how fast we get rid of it) to be slower/harder.

Danes are welcomed to Sweden, I hope your country will show the same courtesy as I'm sure there are many Swedes that want to visit Tivoli this summer.

Only the most suicidal of people would accept Swedes into their country this summer. Heck, I'm currently in a region that has handled corona relatively well so far and when I heard that German tourists had started to show up in my hometown I realised that I'd much rather have Germans come and visit than other Swedes.



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JRPGfan said:

This is so stupid it boggles the mind.

"I have a sore throat! I better go gargle some bleach, and afterwards damp a cloth over my face, and sit down and inhale some cleaning vapores"
(dont wanna catch that covid19)

Those 19% fruit washers..... okay thats stupid.
Those 6% vapor inhaleing house cleansers & disinfectants...... thats the next level, obviously not good for your health.
Those 4% reported drinking & gargling diluted bleach...... congratualtions, its a miracle your own stupidity hasn't killed you already.

Was an online survey by the CDC so I'm hoping that some of the respondents were just joking.  I'm sure there were some people that answered truthfully though.



SvennoJ said:



Europe glides down to 17K cases daily (13%) and 800 deaths (16%)
1. Russia 8.7K cases daily, 164 deaths daily
2. UK 1775 cases daily, 300 deaths daily
3. Sweden 1000 cases daily, 57 deaths daily

Hmm we shall see if ~1000 cases is a new norm here, we had 948 cases today and 17 reported dead. We should fall below 40 daily reported dead for this week and should slowly decline from now on.



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Trumpstyle said:
SvennoJ said:



Europe glides down to 17K cases daily (13%) and 800 deaths (16%)
1. Russia 8.7K cases daily, 164 deaths daily
2. UK 1775 cases daily, 300 deaths daily
3. Sweden 1000 cases daily, 57 deaths daily

Hmm we shall see if ~1000 cases is a new norm here, we had 948 cases today and 17 reported dead. We should fall below 40 daily reported dead for this week and should slowly decline from now on.

It will go down again to between 500 and 600 cases daily. That computer glitch should be fixed by now. Deaths were still above 50 daily on average, but should also drop a bit or stay stable. It probably won't fall much anymore since the reported cases haven't really gone down since the 'peak'. Anyway Sunday all will be down to 'pandemic over' status :)

Except if that glitch was hiding a real increase, numbers could be over 600 daily from now on.



Doug Ford changed his mind again already. Today's numbers aren't good, 455 new cases (68 from a delay in lab reporting but that doesn't make it any better lumping them with the high numbers earlier this week) That makes this week's total 107% of last week's total.

The Ontario government has extended all emergency orders, which include laws restricting social gatherings of more than five people.

The emergency orders, which include a ban on social gatherings of more than five people, were set to expire on June 9 but in a news release issued on Saturday morning the province confirmed that it will extend them until June 19.

The directive means that bars and restaurants will continue to be restricted to take-out service only and that child-care centres will remain closed for the time being.

The extension of the emergency orders comes after Ford told reporters that he would be releasing a plan to reopen more businesses as part of the second stage of the province’s reopening plan “early next week.”

And so we move on not getting anywhere. Meanwhile people outside already think the pandemic is over. The traffic on the river along my house has increased a lot. Larger groups floating by, larger groups launching their canoes and rafts at the park here. How do you social distance on a raft...

Perhaps we should convert the schools into homeless shelters or other more useful things :)



John2290 said:
Trumpstyle said:

Hmm we shall see if ~1000 cases is a new norm here, we had 948 cases today and 17 reported dead. We should fall below 40 daily reported dead for this week and should slowly decline from now on.

What makes you think there will be a decline? Look at the time it took Russia, Brazil and the like to explode. I'd imagine your success was due to people being scared at the start of this, people aren't scared anymore and you're likely to see a boom. On that note, has there beem protests in Sweden?

Basically every nation in europe has had these sympathy support protests for america.
Their not nearly as big as the ones in the US, and their all peacefull, but yes.
Pretty sure even sweden had some.