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SvennoJ said:
S.Peelman said:

No idea, I don't use it. To be honest in reality there aren't that many people that actually do use it to any alarming degree (or at all), it's not really 'cool' enough because you can just get it at a store I suppose.

It's more for medicinal purpose, much better than Toradol. I guess the coffee shops don't sell bottled oils anyway. You used to need a medical card to get it here but now it's also for recreational use the prices are lower and you can simply order online.

People drink a lot in the Netherlands from what I remember, which you can even get at the supermarket over there. That's still 'cool' haha :) When I was in university gas stations still sold beer in the Netherlands. A bit of a stretch with DUIs and all, but very much appreciated by students coming home from the fraternity at 1 in the morning and want to keep on drinking lol. The 24h gas station next to campus did good business.

Heh, yeah the selling of alcohol at gas stations has stopped at least.



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crissindahouse said:
I believe Trumpstyle just fools us. No way he looks at like 50 deaths a day and when there is suddenly a day with 0 reported deaths it's a "no death in Sweden today" for him.

With so many countries trying to hide some deaths or poor countries simply not able to recognize even close to the real numbers I wonder how many really died already.

Ofc 0 people didn't die that day from Covid. We're reporting about ~50 dead a day on average. The 0 was the number we reported on sunday, we hadn't such a low number since the outbreak.

This week our numbers will probably look good for the internationall media :) hopefully



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Went to the city yesterday. So many people out and about. Looks like the crisis is over.



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vivster said:
Went to the city yesterday. So many people out and about. Looks like the crisis is over.

To be fair things are looking pretty good in germany currently.
A country with a population of almost 84 million, and you only had 200 confirmed new cases yesterday.

Look at the US, about 3.9 times your population, but they had over 20,000 cases (100+ times more than germany, yesterday).

So I guess its all subjective to some degree.
The virus is still out there though, so hopefully people are still takeing some social distanceing meassures to heart when out.



Europe is still on a downward trend, a small one thanks to Russia lagging behind. 15.8K daily cases in Europe.

Russia now makes up 57.5% or Europe's reported cases, UK is down to 10.8%

The weekend effect is strong as usual, only Ireland and Russia kept on testing at the same pace.
France is still an unknown after all the corrections, could be in 3rd place, could be between Germany and Belgium.
Norway is now consistently under 10 new cases per day.
Sweden is rising to the top by not moving much at all.

Reported deaths are even more heavily influenced by the weekend

Russia's reported deaths are still under counted, yet UK's Sunday pause in counting helped Russia on top regardless.
Sweden remains the champion for unstable reporting, although Spain sort of stopped reporting deaths altogether.
Norway, Austria and Switzerland are all 3 at less than 2 deaths a day.

Week over week changes

France, unknown, recent data is too messy. Russia creeping back up to 100%
Sweden increasing again, Switzerland as well however the difference is 3,576 cases per week for Sweden, 123 cases per week for Switzerland.
The others are all declining at a good rate.



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The mayor of Amsterdam is a dumb ****.

I'm glad everyone here, literally everyone from general people to tv-people to politicians to the RIVM, is genuinely pissed off about her. Supporting the Black Lives Matter cause in the US is one thing, but allowing a protest of 5000 people in the center of Amsterdam (which was completely against the rules of the national government I might add) is the dumbest thing one could ever do right now. I don't know what I'm hoping for actually; a new wave of corona infections in two weeks so we can all dumb the bill on Halsema's doorstep, or no sustainable rise in infections at all, so we can conclude all corona measures aren't really necessary all that much anymore.

We'll see.

If there's a rise in cases in the coming weeks, we know who to blame.



S.Peelman said:

The mayor of Amsterdam is a dumb ****.

I'm glad everyone here, literally everyone from general people to tv-people to politicians to the RIVM, is genuinely pissed off about her. Supporting the Black Lives Matter cause in the US is one thing, but allowing a protest of 5000 people in the center of Amsterdam (which was completely against the rules of the national government I might add) is the dumbest thing one could ever do right now. I don't know what I'm hoping for actually; a new wave of corona infections in two weeks so we can all dumb the bill on Halsema's doorstep, or no sustainable rise in infections at all, so we can conclude all corona measures aren't really necessary all that much anymore.

We'll see.

If there's a rise in cases in the coming weeks, we know who to blame.

These one off large gathering won't have that much of an effect. It was already noted at the very start that closing large events doesn't have all that much impact. It's a numbers game. 5000 people, only a few infected, won't spread all that much out doors. Of course the ones that do get it will then pass it on to family.

In contrast, opening bars etc up, even with max 30 people, will have a national effect.

Still, not smart to do this, especially not in a hot zone which I assume Amsterdam is (or was). It's not so much getting infected at the event, all these people need to travel there and back, more exposure on the way, crowding public transport driving others closer together as well.

Anyway a rise in the coming weeks is to be expected, yet much more so from schools, bars/restaurants, terraces, cinemas, musea/monuments, cultural institutions, all of your phase 2 changes.

If it goes on for days in multiple cities like in the states, an effect is to be expected.


It's the same here anyway, Toronto protests for Regis Kachinski-Paquet
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/protest-toronto-regis-korchinski-paquet-1.5591745
But it looks to have been a one time protest, I don't see any follow up stories.

The government here says it's ok to protest but asks people to wear masks and use signs and other ways to make noise instead of shouting.




UV-C light is now used in various places to kill Sars-Cov-2. Airplanes, NY subway and some grocery stores are using powerful UV-C light to disinfect.

Clean an airplane in 30 minutes


Disinfect groceries at check out


Disinfect subway cars over night


However, no help from the sun.

While the sun does emit UV-C light, it does not reach Earth. Essentially the ozone layer blocks UV-C light from reaching our planet. We only experience UV-A and UV-B, which do not have the same disinfecting power as UV-C, especially when it comes to COVID-19.

And be careful at home

“Since UV-C has the potential to be dangerous due to eye damage, skin damage, or lung damage due to ozone that can be produced by UV devices, we urge people to be cautious in using UV devices,” says Hofmann.

He also adds, “Our message is that UV-C consumer products are new technologies and there are, at present, no recognized standards or certifications -- or even industry best practices for these devices. As such, it’s completely buyer beware”.

WHO:




The academic response to Covid-19 has been… poor. Less than 4% of all Covid-19 published papers to late May have been peer-reviewed primary research. Media consistently also reporting on questionable research to complicate matters. Unquestionably, way more primary research is needed on possible treatments (including chloroquine, considering the studies that made the WHO drop it were particularly garbage) and the most effective measures to control spread of the virus and when that might be obtained.

Also the reasons why it didn’t spread too much, or is spreading slowly, in certain places (AKA “immunological dark matter”), that might point out to a strong and as-of-yet unidentified cross-immunity between SARS-CoV-2 and other viruses with molecularly similar antibody binding sites (perhaps, but not necessarily, the closely related HCoV-OC43 and HCov-HKU1).



 

 

 

 

 

Major setback while Ontario numbers are climbing again

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/at-least-164-migrant-workers-at-one-ontario-farm-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19-1.4964690

It’s asparagus harvest season, but some of the fields in Norfolk County, Ontario, are all but empty following an outbreak of COVID-19 that has spread to 164 migrant workers from Mexico, temporarily halting production.

Last Thursday, a worker at Scotlynn Group complained of symptoms; just days later, more than half of the 216 migrant workers tested positive. Seven are hospitalized, including two in intensive care. Health officials have already started contact tracing while more still awaited results. Only 33 are able to work in the field.

The workers arrived from Mexico to Biddle’s farm back in early April - already delayed due to the pandemic and travel restrictions - and underwent a 14-day quarantine before starting work. Everyone came out of the quarantine healthy and nobody showed any symptoms prior to Thursday, according to Biddle.
https://www.simcoereformer.ca/news/local-news/farmer-at-centre-of-outbreak-spent-700000-to-house-workers-during-isolation-period

Biddle relies on the migrant workers to produce millions of pounds of asparagus and sweet corn. To ensure his asparagus crop is harvested this year, he put out a call for local help on Facebook, offering $25 an hour. He said 150 locals were confirmed to help, but with a pay hike that’s nearly double what the migrant workers make, advocates like MWAC’s Aviles are not happy, noting that they have been working in these conditions for decades.

“There’s a lot of anger right now,” she said. Adding to the concern is the uncertainty around compensation for the workers while they are sick.

"They have passed quarantine, and now they are sick with the virus. They don't know what is going to happen with them, and in the meantime who is going to feed their families?"

I cycle through Norfolk county passing these farms on warm days like this one. Mostly passed the fruit farms though who were all very busy planting :/