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crissindahouse said:
sethnintendo said:
Is Russia under reporting deaths because how can they have third highest infection rate yet have under 4k deaths?

Well, most deaths come from over 70 years old men.

Not many Russian men reach 70 or even a higher age.

Underreporting is probably still a thing. Same in Turkey and so on...These leaders don't want their countries to look weak 

I'm amazed by the huge discrepancy between men and women.

Russian men only have a life expectancy of 66.9 years while women have 77.6 which is at least somewhat decent.

That's a difference of 10 years! Usually the difference is only about 5 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy



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sethnintendo said:
Is Russia under reporting deaths because how can they have third highest infection rate yet have under 4k deaths?

Deaths lag behind reported cases and Russia is still on a rising trend.
While incubation period (4.5) + onset to death (18.5) is 23 days on average, test results lag behind as well, so to get an idea of case fatality rate, comparing current reported deaths to total reported cases 15 days ago is a decent estimate to compare countries.

Russia, 1.7%
Turkey, 3.1%
Germany, 4.9%
India 6.1%
Iran 6.9%
USA, 7.2%
Canada, 9.5%
Brazil, 14.5%
Italy, 15.0%
UK, 16.6%

World average: 8.3%

Russia is definitely under reporting deaths, likely only counting covid19 positive deaths in hospitals.
Otherwise Russia would be testing so well that they only miss 1 out of 2 cases...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6942020/russia-coronavirus-death-toll/
The city of Moscow said on Wednesday it had ascribed the deaths of more than 60% of coronavirus patients in April to other causes as it defended what it said was the superior way it and Russia counted the number of people killed by the novel virus.

Moscow’s Department of Health acknowledged in a statement on Wednesday that the number of deaths in April, 11,846, had been 1,841 higher than the same month last year and almost triple the number of people registered as having died of the virus. But it flatly denied it had been dishonestly lowering the Russian capital’s coronavirus death toll. Tatyana Golikova, Russia’s health minister, has also denied any falsification of the statistics.

Unlike many other countries, Moscow’s department of health said it and Russia conducted post-mortem autopsies in 100% of deaths where coronavirus was suspected as the main cause. “Therefore, post-mortem diagnoses and causes of death recorded in Moscow are ultimately extremely accurate, and mortality data is completely transparent,” it said.

“It’s impossible in other COVID-19 cases to name the cause of death. So, for example in over 60% of deaths the cause was clearly for different reasons such as vascular failures (such as heart attacks), stage 4 malignant diseases, leukemia, systemic diseases which involve organ failure, and other incurable fatal diseases.”

It said 639 people in Moscow had died in April as a direct result of the coronavirus and its complications like pneumonia.

According to Russia, only dying of pneumonia complications count as a covid19 death.



Meanwhile in Canada

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/dangerous-blood-clots-pose-a-perplexing-coronavirus-threat-1.4956038

Darlene Gildersleeve thought she had recovered from COVID-19. Doctors said she just needed rest. And for several days, no one suspected her worsening symptoms were related -- until a May 4 video call, when her physician heard her slurred speech and consulted a specialist. "You've had two strokes," a neurologist told her at the hospital. The Hopkinton, New Hampshire, mother of three is only 43.

Blood clots that can cause strokes, heart attacks and dangerous blockages in the legs and lungs are increasingly being found in COVID-19 patients, including some children. Even tiny clots that can damage tissue throughout the body have been seen in hospitalized patients and in autopsies, confounding doctors' understanding of what was once considered mainly a respiratory infection.

"COVID-19 is the most thrombotic (clot-producing) disease we've ever seen in our lifetime," said Dr. Alex Spyropoulos, a clot specialist and professor at Feinstein Institutes for Medical Research in Manhasset, New York.

It's unclear how many COVID-19 patients develop clots. Studies from China, Europe and the United States suggest rates ranging from 3% to 70% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients; more rigorous research is needed to determine the true prevalence, the National Institutes of Health says.

Prevalence in patients with mild disease is unknown and the agency says there isn't enough evidence to recommend routine clot screening for all virus patients without clotting symptoms, which may include swelling, pain or reddish discoloring in an arm or leg.

Some hospitals have found 40% of deaths in COVID-19 patients are from blood clots. Spyropoulos said that's been true at his 23-hospital system in the New York City area, Northwell Health, which has treated over 11,000 COVID-19 patients.



How tightly closed are your borders?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/thousands-of-travellers-still-arriving-in-canada-despite-border-restrictions-1.4955403

"a lot of people" are exempt from Canada's border restrictions, including relatives of Canadian citizens, citizens being repatriated, foreign workers and foreign students. "We have not shut down the borders completely. We are letting people in for a variety of reasons, all of which are good reasons, but the concern that I have is: are [the rules] really being enforced in terms of quarantine," Gradek said.

In total, 123,694 passengers from the U.S. and 301,781 international travellers have arrived in Canada by plane since March 21.



The result of going back up in growth

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-extends-all-emergency-orders-for-another-10-days-1.4956410

On May 19, the province extended all emergency orders, including the closure of outdoor playgrounds, public swimming pools, and bars and restaurants, except for takeout and delivery, until May 29. The orders will now be in effect until June 9.

For this time, there also continues to be restrictions on social gatherings of more than five people and staff redeployment rules for long-term care homes and congregate settings remain in effect.




More research is needed into inflammatory complications in children with covid19

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/doctors-investigate-more-clusters-of-rare-condition-possibly-linked-to-covid-19-in-children-1.4956155

In Toronto, the Hospital for Sick Children is the latest facility in Canada to report a cluster of cases of multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), a condition that causes rashes in severe cases and can lead to heart damage if not treated, similar to Kawasaki disease.




And a damning report from the military (send in to help and assess the problems at long term care homes)

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/gut-wrenching-military-report-sheds-light-on-grim-conditions-in-ontario-nursing-homes-1.4954710
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-to-release-canadian-military-report-into-conditions-at-long-term-care-facilities-1.4956531

The Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) report, written by Brigadier-General C.J.J. Mialkowski, outlines the grim state inside the facilities, claiming not only that there were staffing shortages and lack of personal protective equipment (PPE), but also that there were bug infestations, old food trays stacked inside resident rooms and that patients were observed “crying for help with staff not responding.”

Speaking at Queen’s Park on Tuesday following the release of the report, Premier Doug Ford said that his government didn’t know the “full extent of what these homes, what these residents were dealing with” until Monday morning. "The reports they provided us were heartbreaking, they were horrific, it's shocking that this can happen here in Canada. It's gut-wrenching and reading those reports was the hardest thing I've done as premier,” he told reporters. "What I am feeling, what we all are feeling is little in comparison to the hardship that these residents and their families have had to endure."



The premier then proceeded to promise “justice for these residents and their families” and said that the government has launched a full investigation into the allegations, including an investigation by Ontario’s Chief Coroner. “The results of these investigations will be shared with police to look into any possible criminal charges and I will also make the results of these investigations public,” he said.

The buck stops with Ford, union says

A union representing more than 60,000 healthcare and community service workers across Ontario said they welcome the CAF report on disturbing conditions within the long-term care homes.

“Our union and our frontline members have been ringing the alarm bells throughout this entire crisis. Unfortunately, we have had to fight the provincial government every step of the way to ensure long-term care companies were keeping workers and residents safe,” Service Employees International Union President Sharleen Stewart said in a statement on Tuesday.

Stewart said that the province’s decision to eliminate regulations that required background checks for new hires “was a recipe for disaster” and that they ignored their pleas for more inspections and investigations into the condition of long-term care homes.

“Instead of helping, Doug Ford has made long-term care worse for workers and residents,” she said. “Doug Ford has refused to take action on increased staff-to-resident ratios. Doug Ford has capped the wages of the lowest-paid workers in long-term care. Doug Ford eliminated paid sick days for vulnerable essential workers. Doug Ford has limited inspections in long-term care. These decisions came from his desk.”

The list of problems found is hard to read, awful.



Lol I got Doug Ford confused with Rob Ford that mayor that got caught smoking crack. They look similar also.



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sethnintendo said:
Lol I got Doug Ford confused with Rob Ford that mayor that got caught smoking crack. They look similar also.

Dunno what Doug Ford is smoking, can't be easy trying to keep track of 13.6 million people in an area of just over 1 billion square km.


Cases are getting more lopsided here

More than three-quarters of the active cases of COVID-19 currently listed in the province's database are found in the five public health units of Toronto, Peel, York, Durham and Halton regions, an area that accounts for less than half of the province's population. Of the 3,931 infections that have happened in Ontario since May 10, the GTA's public health units account for 3,054, or roughly 78 per cent.

In early April, when Ontario hit 5,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19, the Greater Toronto Area accounted for 52 per cent, according to the province's daily epidemiology reports. However, the GTA accounts for 76 per cent of the roughly 6,600 infections that have happened in May.

So naturally people in more remote areas would like restrictions lifted

The new data lend further heft to arguments that the provincial government needs to consider a regional approach to the fight against COVID-19 in Ontario, something that Premier Doug Ford has resisted until now. "If all you know is that it's a lot of cases in Toronto, it doesn't make much sense that in Kingston they should be shutting down parks."

The province's database on Tuesday showed 4,110 infections as "not resolved," meaning that the person is still considered infectious. The GTA's public health units account for 3,171 of those active cases, or roughly 77 per cent. Outside the Greater Toronto area, only a few urban areas continue to see a significant number of new cases. The Ottawa, Hamilton and Windsor-Essex public health units together with the GTA account for roughly 90 per cent of the province's new infections since May 10.

Unfortunately I do live close to Hamilton and plenty people that live around here work in Hamilton.


On a positive note, farms seem to be doing fine. I saw plenty of them planting yesterday, some using migrant workers. The fruit farms around here are fully operational it looks like.



What kind of fruit you guys grow in Canada? Berries? I never knew Canada grew that much fruit. I just assumed they grew winter wheat and other northern crops.



sethnintendo said:
What kind of fruit you guys grow in Canada? Berries? I never knew Canada grew that much fruit. I just assumed they grew winter wheat and other northern crops.

Ontario grows apples, peaches, grapes, pears, nectarines, apricots, plums, prunes, cherries, raspberries, strawberries and blueberries.

I wonder how covid19 is going to impact all the fruit stands. Many farms have pick your own next to pre-picked road side stands. It should be fine I guess, not that hard to keep distance.

It's 24c here today! Summers are hot, growing season lasts from end of May until end of October.



SvennoJ said:
sethnintendo said:
What kind of fruit you guys grow in Canada? Berries? I never knew Canada grew that much fruit. I just assumed they grew winter wheat and other northern crops.

Ontario grows apples, peaches, grapes, pears, nectarines, apricots, plums, prunes, cherries, raspberries, strawberries and blueberries.

I wonder how covid19 is going to impact all the fruit stands. Many farms have pick your own next to pre-picked road side stands. It should be fine I guess, not that hard to keep distance.

It's 24c here today! Summers are hot, growing season lasts from end of May until end of October.

Global warming baby.  Wow have to pick your own.  I've been to one of those long time ago apple orchard.  Most Americans too lazy to pick their own fruit.  We do have local farmers on side of highways selling corn, watermelon, etc here but already picked.  There are farms where you could go pick your own watermelon or apples but think that is time of past in USA.

I wouldn't mind living in British Columbia area but I'd need a few winters to adjust.  I lost all my cold tolerance since moving from Ohio to Texas 20 years ago.



sethnintendo said:

Global warming baby.  Wow have to pick your own.  I've been to one of those long time ago apple orchard.  Most Americans too lazy to pick their own fruit.  We do have local farmers on side of highways selling corn, watermelon, etc here but already picked.  There are farms where you could go pick your own watermelon or apples but think that is time of past in USA.

I wouldn't mind living in British Columbia area but I'd need a few winters to adjust.  I lost all my cold tolerance since moving from Ohio to Texas 20 years ago.

Winters are getting less cold here, but yeah days of -20c (-4F) still happen in Januari and Februari, then up to 38c (100F) some days in July/August.
It could be worse, Eureka in Nunavut averages -20c for the year. Lowest recorded temperature in Canada was -63c (-81F) in the Yukon.
Record high is 45c (113F), still a bit short of Death Valley's 57c (134F) record ouch.

I prefer the heat over the bitter cold. Although dry cold is better than damp just above freezing weather. -10c with the sun out is actually not bad at all.