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Trumpstyle on 21 April 2020
forest-spirit said:

Are you sure you aren't mixing things up? The Ministry of Health and Public Affairs (Folkhälsomyndigheten) released a report today predicting that 32% of Stockholm are/have been infected by the first day of May. But the data used in that report is from a study made between 27 March and 3 April where 707 people were tested.

As for the clip you posted, just to be clear, Jan Albert and Tom Britton are not from the Ministry of Health and Public Affairs.

Jan Albert is from Karolinska University Hospital and worked with the before mentioned test where 11 out of 100 test subjects were infected, and that's the test from which I suppose you got the 70-80% accuracy number from. This test is not to be confused with the report from the Ministry of Health and Public Affairs.

Tom Britton is a professor in mathematical statistics at Stockholm University, who estimates that 30% of the population of Stockholm has already been infected at some point.

Yep you're right on both count, I thought Jan Albert worked at our CDC (folkhälsomyndigheten) but he does not and our CDC is predicting by 1 may a third of Stockholm will be infected by the covid virus.

I didn't mention Tom britton, he think 25-40% of Stockholm right now is infected.



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Barozi on 21 April 2020

We're a few days past Easter so I guess numbers should be more or less accurate again.
Lockdown seems to have worked quite well in Germany as new infections have decreased quite a bit.



Peak was at the beginning of April. Also about 66% have recovered. Will be interesting to see what effect the lifting of some of the restrictions will have. Probably not that much considering they were rather minor.



vivster on 21 April 2020
Barozi said:
We're a few days past Easter so I guess numbers should be more or less accurate again.
Lockdown seems to have worked quite well in Germany as new infections have decreased quite a bit.



Peak was at the beginning of April. Also about 66% have recovered. Will be interesting to see what effect the lifting of some of the restrictions will have. Probably not that much considering they were rather minor.

We won't see the effects of Easter until later with incubation time and all.



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vivster on 21 April 2020

Still don't like how heavily under reported US deaths are. People are dying at home in the thousands.



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chakkra on 21 April 2020
vivster said:
John2290 said:

Did ya not read what I said, everyone is pulling out of China, Globalisation if falling apart and economic deterrence were a thing until this year, now not so much. Your comment made perfect sense and reflected reality about 10 weeks ago, it's exactly what I was saying during the Iran incident a few months back. The sheilds are down and we are open, I'm hoping China doesn't relaise the inevitible and strike first while they are still strong. 

As for countries pulling out globally. Fucked if you do and fucked if you don't though, it's either pull out or be dependent on someone else in a disaster. Independence with the possibility of war is likely the better option looking back. 

Perhaps someone will come out with some master plan of a new unifed world order and we'll loose the few freedoms left to us but we'll be alive and our bellies full. I don't know what is preferable but the ability to land in any of these least harmful realities is slipping away fast, likely it already has. 

You're contradicting yourself. If China is becoming more self sufficient by people pulling out then what will they gain from war? How will that war look like? Will they just hop over to Japan and take stuff? Why?

If anyone actually believes he can unify the world then that person is probably not in politics right now. China can't even keep a tiny nation like Taiwan from revolting and you think they're gonna go to war with other nations?

China's government are total assholes, but if they have shown anything in the past decades it's that they're not idiots. Only idiots go to war.

I'm seriously concerned about what Trump might do after all of this is over. I suspect that he has been looking for an excuse to attack China for a long time now. I just hope the other segments of U.S. government are strong enough to stop him.



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Nighthawk117 on 21 April 2020
chakkra said:
vivster said:

You're contradicting yourself. If China is becoming more self sufficient by people pulling out then what will they gain from war? How will that war look like? Will they just hop over to Japan and take stuff? Why?

If anyone actually believes he can unify the world then that person is probably not in politics right now. China can't even keep a tiny nation like Taiwan from revolting and you think they're gonna go to war with other nations?

China's government are total assholes, but if they have shown anything in the past decades it's that they're not idiots. Only idiots go to war.

I'm seriously concerned about what Trump might do after all of this is over. I suspect that he has been looking for an excuse to attack China for a long time now. I just hope the other segments of U.S. government are strong enough to stop him.

By the time this is over, he will be voted out of office.



KiigelHeart on 21 April 2020
vivster said:
Still don't like how heavily under reported US deaths are. People are dying at home in the thousands.

How can they be sure which deaths are caused by corona? Lockdown and hysteria will also kill people.

Here in Finland, doctors are worried that many severely ill people aren't going to the hospitals anymore. 30% less people have gone to cardiologists for example. They're afraid to catch corona but end up being at for greater risk staying at home.

I'd expect this has been far worse in US past month with all the panic. And there was been much more people dying by heart failures...



The_Yoda on 21 April 2020
Pemalite said:
KiigelHeart said:

Yes they need to change it every year and even make an educated guess which vaccine to use. Sometimes it doesn't even work well, sometimes it does. I expect we see something similar with corona in the future. 

Unless they rush this new RNA-vaccine without proper testing and we all die of course :P

The Flu vaccine no longer protects against just one strain, but a multitude of strains, that takes out a chunk of guess work in trying to work out Northern/Southern Hemisphere trends and projecting that onto the next Flu Season.

Multitude is a little misleading 3 or 4 strains (2 respiratory & 2 stomach typically) isn't how I personally would define a multitude.

Flu vaccines cause antibodies to develop in the body about two weeks after vaccination. These antibodies provide protection against infection with the viruses that are used to make the vaccine.

The seasonal flu vaccine protects against the influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season. Most flu vaccines in the United States protect against four different flu viruses (“quadrivalent”); an influenza A (H1N1) virus, an influenza A (H3N2) virus, and two influenza B viruses. There are also some flu vaccines that protect against three different flu viruses (“trivalent”); an influenza A (H1N1) virus, an influenza A (H3N2) virus, and one influenza B virus. Two of the trivalent vaccines are designed specifically for people 65 and older to create a stronger immune response. - source

Edit, misspelled respiratory

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Lafiel on 21 April 2020
KiigelHeart said:
vivster said:
Still don't like how heavily under reported US deaths are. People are dying at home in the thousands.

How can they be sure which deaths are caused by corona? Lockdown and hysteria will also kill people.

Here in Finland, doctors are worried that many severely ill people aren't going to the hospitals anymore. 30% less people have gone to cardiologists for example. They're afraid to catch corona but end up being at for greater risk staying at home.

I'd expect this has been far worse in US past month with all the panic. And there was been much more people dying by heart failures...

in very serious cases SARS-CoV-2 has been observed to attack organs other then the lungs, including the heart aswell - while the state of emergency certainly contributes to the increase in cases, it can't reasonably explain a ten fold increase like shown in NYC

btw ppl not going to hospitals out of fear (usually fear of financial ruin) is part of how the system works in the us



KiigelHeart on 21 April 2020
Lafiel said:
KiigelHeart said:

How can they be sure which deaths are caused by corona? Lockdown and hysteria will also kill people.

Here in Finland, doctors are worried that many severely ill people aren't going to the hospitals anymore. 30% less people have gone to cardiologists for example. They're afraid to catch corona but end up being at for greater risk staying at home.

I'd expect this has been far worse in US past month with all the panic. And there was been much more people dying by heart failures...

in very serious cases SARS-CoV-2 has been observed to attack organs other then the lungs, including the heart aswell - while the state of emergency certainly contributes to the increase in cases, it can't reasonably explain a ten fold increase like shown in NYC

btw ppl not going to hospitals out of fear (usually fear of financial ruin) is part of how the system works in the us

It's not a ten fold increase though. I agree it doesn't explain all of the increase, but it would still be misleading to report all of them as COVID-19 deaths.

Serious cases should be treated at a hospital. Paints a sad picture of US healthcare system if people stay home while suffering such bad symptoms.