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LurkerJ said:

How is it that Tucker is among the few that are asking the burning questions and challanging stats that are already proven flawed is beyond me.

Terrible terrible journalism and hardly any journalist out there is asking the questions we want answers for.

EDIT: just so that everyone knows, I don't think tucker is doing good journalism here either, but he asked many what many of us are asking, unfortunate that is riddled with petty games

To be fair.... In denmark alot of people are questioning the prime minister, opening back up schools partly again.
The idea is the 0 to 5th graders, will all be allowed to go back to school.

There will likely be a small flairup in infections again because of this, and some of these kids and younger parents will probably also get the infection because of this choice. I think its part of the "herd immunity" meassured, following the idea, that the least vunerable groups (younger parents + kids), get the infection, and lateron build immunity.

Its gonna be a step by step thing (then later years of schools, and finally universities ect), and gradually parts of bussiness where it makes sense (without too much risk). until everything is finally open again. This atleast seems what our prime minister is planning to do.

That said, theres alot of people not happy with that approach... who rather not risk anything.

*edit:
Also you need to start somewhere, and with the kids at home, it can be hard for mom & dad to be able to go to work.
So school is opening first (partly) for them.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 08 April 2020

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newwil7l said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

They're already getting close just in cases per capita, so I expect them to reach death per capita, too

Keep in mind, this was the situation 10 days ago:

The US are really climbing up the ranks here

They are also ahead of France and UK in testing per capita, and will soon pass Spain

France has tested a higher share of their inhabitants than Spain by now iirc. Hence the jumps in cases and deaths in the country.

Is there a site where you can see how many got tested in the US?

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Luxembourg has passed the 3000 infected mark with 3034 out of over 26.500, or 4.3% of the population tested. 231 persons are hospitalized, 34 of them in intensive care.

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/dossiers/2020/corona-virus.html



Trump playing the blame game right now. Pointing his finger now at WHO and Sweden.

He forgot that he was the one yelling to everyone that Covid-19 was fake news fabricated by the dems.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
newwil7l said:

They are also ahead of France and UK in testing per capita, and will soon pass Spain

France has tested a higher share of their inhabitants than Spain by now iirc. Hence the jumps in cases and deaths in the country.

Is there a site where you can see how many got tested in the US?

__________________________________________________________________________________________

Luxembourg has passed the 3000 infected mark with 3034 out of over 26.500, or 4.3% of the population tested. 231 persons are hospitalized, 34 of them in intensive care.

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/dossiers/2020/corona-virus.html

I hear Luxembourg is a very rich country.
This is very surprising.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
newwil7l said:

They are also ahead of France and UK in testing per capita, and will soon pass Spain

France has tested a higher share of their inhabitants than Spain by now iirc. Hence the jumps in cases and deaths in the country.

Is there a site where you can see how many got tested in the US?

__________________________________________________________________________________________

Luxembourg has passed the 3000 infected mark with 3034 out of over 26.500, or 4.3% of the population tested. 231 persons are hospitalized, 34 of them in intensive care.

https://msan.gouvernement.lu/en/dossiers/2020/corona-virus.html

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Shows the total cases for all countries except China for obvious reasons. You can also arrange the list by testing per capita, cases per capita, etc.



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newwil7l said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Shows the total cases for all countries except China for obvious reasons. You can also arrange the list by testing per capita, cases per capita, etc.

I think it's unfortunate they don't indicate that the testing numbers are out of date for many listed countries - it's updated daily for the US, but has been frozen for days (probably due to a lack of official announcements) for the majority of the others.

edit: wikipedia does have a testing list with an "as of" column https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

Last edited by Lafiel - on 08 April 2020

drkohler said:
newwil7l said:

Again you guys can bash the US all you want. The reality is they arent hit as hard as your European powers and likely never will reach that point, and the deaths per capita rate shows that.

These graphs are meaningless. At best, it shows how thorough testing is done. Smaller states like Luxemburg, Andorra, Vatican, Switzerland, etc, will always be high on these graphs, as it simply takes less tests to get a good idea. A good example is Ecuador where people are dying left, front, right and back. That country wuld probably in the top three in those graphs. African states are anyone's guess. And the muslim countries as a whole where religion plays a key role as well (Iran being the exception but they are screwed anyways so no reason to hide numbers).

The USA is obviously looking good because too many elderly people simply can't afford a walk to the hospital or even a test so they die at home (officially counted of old age). We would have to compare daily/weekly average death rates in the past decades with current death rates to get an idea. Then agan, (greatrly reduced) pollution plays a role in those statistics, too.

There are plenty positive effects of the current situation. As you mentioned less pollution, thus less complications for people with asthma. Far less traffic accidents. Other viruses are also stopped in their tracks. Less work accidents since most places are shut down. Less sports injuries, less people coming back from holiday with different kinds of infections or accidents.

Atm the emergency services are faster than ever here. Yesterday 2 people in a canoe on the river capsized. 2 fire trucks, 2 ambulances and 5 police cars showed up lol. The river is only knee deep on average and not even all that cold anymore. Emergency services are on high alert waiting for the wave to reach here, twiddling their thumbs until then. No accidents to go to, fire bans are in effect.

The death toll will be hard to determine. When there is not really any cure, plenty people will decide its better to stay at home. Less risk of more infection, more comfortable, no huge bills for you or for your family when you don't make it. And some will deteriorate so quickly they never have a chance to decide to go or not. And some will wait until the last moment, which might be too late. Then who is going to pay for or spend time testing the dead when the situation is still ongoing and tests are better used elsewhere. That's probably why France is now adding to the numbers. The growth peak has passed, now testing can be directed to figure out what people died from.

And yep, plenty counties won't be able to afford testing on a large scale at all. It would be guess work what people die from.



Lafiel said:
newwil7l said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Shows the total cases for all countries except China for obvious reasons. You can also arrange the list by testing per capita, cases per capita, etc.

I think it's unfortunate they don't indicate that the testing numbers are out of date for many listed countries - it's updated daily for the US, but has been frozen for days (probably due to a lack of official announcements) for the majority of the others.

edit: wikipedia does have a testing list with an "as of" column https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

The tests themselves are out of date the day after. It doesn't mean all that much when you have 90% negative tests, as those people can very well be infected the next day or even already been effected but still too low to show up on the test.

The anti bodies tests are a better indication but are any working yet?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6787778/guelph-company-test-covid-19-immunity/
many of these types of tests are currently in development and that each test will be different, but it’s not known which one will be the best.

Are any successful yet? Not this one :/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/new-test-hopes-dashed-as-u-k-finds-antibody-kits-don-t-deliver


There's also the hope this will deliver

PlantForm is also in the early stages of developing antibodies to treat infected patients and protect front-line health-care workers.
“Somebody who is a front-line worker in an emergency room can be given a drug, and so for a short period of time, they’re immune to the virus. So it’s a protective mechanism that can be used in an emergency situation,” Stewart said.



SvennoJ said:
Lafiel said:

I think it's unfortunate they don't indicate that the testing numbers are out of date for many listed countries - it's updated daily for the US, but has been frozen for days (probably due to a lack of official announcements) for the majority of the others.

edit: wikipedia does have a testing list with an "as of" column https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

The tests themselves are out of date the day after. It doesn't mean all that much when you have 90% negative tests, as those people can very well be infected the next day or even already been effected but still too low to show up on the test.

The anti bodies tests are a better indication but are any working yet?

https://globalnews.ca/news/6787778/guelph-company-test-covid-19-immunity/
many of these types of tests are currently in development and that each test will be different, but it’s not known which one will be the best.

Are any successful yet? Not this one :/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/new-test-hopes-dashed-as-u-k-finds-antibody-kits-don-t-deliver


There's also the hope this will deliver

PlantForm is also in the early stages of developing antibodies to treat infected patients and protect front-line health-care workers.
“Somebody who is a front-line worker in an emergency room can be given a drug, and so for a short period of time, they’re immune to the virus. So it’s a protective mechanism that can be used in an emergency situation,” Stewart said.

tbh the PCR tests are out of date the moment the result is announced, as they usually process days old samples and have huge backlogs

but if you look at the tests in NY, NJ and Michigan, over 40% turn out positive, meaning there very likely are tons of untested covid-19 cases there, as in countries/regions with high(er) per capita testing results tend to be below 10% pos (and even there lots of cases aren't discovered)

I've heard in the news that anti-body testing machines have been send to various hospitals in germany, but I suspect they first use that to get a good idea of the accuracy before those can be used to screen the populace.



1.5 million cases. 500k within the last 6 days.