Is this a joke? You guys could see what was happening in Europe and your president kept saying that everything was fine. The NY State is now experiencing what 1 single region of Italy have been dealing with for the last 40 days. We'll talk about how well the US performed after everything is over.

bolded: That's because the US are 2-3 weeks behind. Coronavirus takes a while before it gets dangerous, the first 1-2 weeks it feels like a cough and only then it rapidly deteriorates. The US are at a point where most are still not deteriorated yet.

italic: It ain't new, but the virus only got a real hold in the US weeks after Europe. Take a look again at the curve and you'll see that European countries took off much earlier. That's why the US are weeks behind Europe in that regard, just compare the US to Italy in that regard. In Europe, the worst has passed, the number of new cases continues to drop. Not so for the US, for which the worst is yet to come, especially since there's no lockdown in many regions yet.

Also, I didn't shift the burden to you, you made a claim but didn't give any proof along with it, and I was asking for those proofs. Nice try shifting the burden of proof to me, but it's your duty if you claim something.

I think the other developed countries have a different view on this point. As explained by Bofferbrauer2, you are still weeks behind, and compared to Europe 2 weeks ago it looks terrible in the US. Trump is viewed as totally insane, and the only people that are shown making a good job are Fauci and Coumo.

The insideous thing about the terrible healthcare system in the US is not the covid deaths but all of the ruined lives that aren't counted in any statistic. Sending people bills of tens of thousands for getting tested or treated shows the complete contempt that the US has for its citizens. Contempt isn't a word that should be associated with a healthcare system and I haven't heard it in connection with any other system.

I also think it's a viable strategy for countries that are letting the virus loose or just can't possibly follow the western model of lockdowns, let alone the Chinese model.

When you say permnant damage to the lung or kidneys, what kind of damage are we talking about here?

How likely is it for someone in his 20s to get that sort of damage? 30s? 40s?

What if the chances of that damage is related to the viral load in the first place?

Our conversations are unfortunately lacking meaningful numbers, and this isn't your or my fault. It's just the way it is. Another example of this is the conversations about the vaccine. How certain are we that we are going to get a vaccine? There have been serious attempts at coming up with vaccines for far deadlier viruses but all those attemtps have proven futile so far. It's not unrealistic to operate under the assumption that a vaccine may never be ready, or at least may never be ready in the timeframe we've been given (12-18 months).

The US have crossed the 400k mark. There are more cases there than in Italy, Spain and France combined. And at the current rate that will also include Germany in 2 days.

And don't forget the deaths. They are a few weeks behind Germany and they already have more deaths per capita while most likely being undercounted. Not sure if they'll be able to reach the deaths per capita of Italy, Spain and France, but they'll sure come close to it.

this assertion is premature - the data we are looking at is very much incomplete

They're already getting close just in cases per capita, so I expect them to reach death per capita, too

Keep in mind, this was the situation 10 days ago:

The US are really climbing up the ranks here

I've stopped to pay much attention to confirmed cases. It is obvious from the death counts that the countries with the highest death tolls have a significantly undercounted cases. And since the US fanboys reject all total counts because their country is soooo YUGE, the only thing I'm looking at right now are deaths per population. To get to the numbers Spain has right now the US needs 100k deaths. By the time they reached that number Spain will still be much further ahead.

Imagine the disaster if this crisis ends and the US has fewer deaths per capita than European countries with actual healthcare.