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SpokenTruth said:

4/1: US-Italy Charts and other updates:

Italy continues to show a lot of progress.  New cases were up a little over the past 2 days but still down from the peak over a week ago.  Even more welcomed news is the deaths dropped back to levels seen about a week ago too.

The US has shown the opposite as new cases and deaths continue to climb.  The US saw over 1,000 die in one day.  That's the single highest any country has had to deal with, even Italy. 8 states had more than 1,000 new cases.

A sigh of relieve for France as the massive new case spike seen yesterday was temporary.  New cases dropped back to the same level as the day prior to the spike. Deaths, however, were up slightly.

Spain has maintained the same level of new cases per day for a week now.  Seems to be very test limited as deaths have still increased slightly day by day.

Turkey has seen a massive increase in deaths per day over the past 4 days.  Brazil has had back to back spikes in new cases and an sizable increase in deaths over the past 2 days.

India is now of major concern.  Nearly a 5x increase in new cases and frightening 7x increase in deaths.  They are still early in this fight and thy did shut down the whole country over a week ago.  Hopefully they can keep those figures from running away.

Atm it's looking like Spain is going to peak higher than Italy did. With a 3 day average of +8000 new cases in Spain vs Italy down to +4300 new cases a day, Spain will overtake Italy on Friday. Spain should already have peaked, but tests backlogs or simply more testing will skew the data. Spain is still 5 days behind Italy in deaths, still giving hope that they did reach the growth peak on the 26th.

Europe did reach the half million cases discovered today, 500.8K total currently. Tomorrow total cases in the world will be over 1 million.

Everything is picking up a bit mid week, corrections for what was missed or stayed behind in the weekend maybe. It's a cyclic pattern, must be from human behavior, either from reporting/testing or humans being more social on the weekends with the results showing on average 3 to 7 days later. Yet for detected cases they're just over a day behind Italy atm.

India, how reliable do you think the data reporting will be from there? Brazil seems pretty unreliable as well.

And yep, the USA caught up more to Europe again, 8.24 days behind now.



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NightlyPoe said:
Darn, crossed the 1,000 death mark exactly on the day the models predicted.

Which models?



NightlyPoe said:
jason1637 said:

Which models?

This is the one I was thinking of from the University of Washington.  Saw it a over the weekend.  It's the same one that the White House used in its briefing yesterday (though I think their updated one had the estimate slightly lower).  The line crosses right over the intersection of April 1 and 1,000 deaths per day.

Here's a link to the latest version among other graphs.

I wonder what's their methodology for thrse charts. Here in NY state the Governor is saying that we need 110k befs but the chart they had for NY had us needing 76k beds.



2 confirmed cases in my region today. And so it begins.



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Nighthawk117 said:
vivster said:

I am praising Germany's robust social and health system, consumer and worker protection, low violent crime rate paired with political and economic strength, which provide the perfect environment to lead a secure and healthy life. Pointing out singular things that are not perfect won't change anything about that.

If Germany is doing so great, then why are thousands of US military personnel over there protecting your German asses?

We're great at domesticating watchdogs for table scraps. Just think of the German Shepherd. The US apparently can't get enough of those scraps. Yummy. Eat up!



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RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Yay a fat shaming post in the middle of a pandemic, just what the world needs 

It's not so bad. Instead of getting fully absorbed by the corona hysteria, people should be thinking of all the other things that are connected in the big picture; after all, right now there's more time for that than usual, with so many people either losing their jobs or working only short periods of time each week. Why do Americans get so fat on average? Because corn syrup is omnipresent in processed food. Why is corn syrup everywhere? Because it's sweet and very cheap, so it tastes good and allows manufacturers to pad food instead of having to use healthier and more expensive ingredients to reach the expected size for a meal. It's just one big example of a government putting economic interests of big corporations above the health of the population; tied into that is the pharma industry because it's in their best interest that people aren't healthy.

And yes, it's the government's job to make laws that protect its people, because people don't have the time to research everything all the time. What also ties into food is meat production. Lax laws mean more cheap meat, but it comes at the cost of the environment because of the tremendous amount of animals, both in the masses of food they need to be fed and the questions regarding where there poo should go and the perpetual burping of cows which accounts for quite a significant amount of CO² emissions on this plant. A lot of things are intertwined, so merely tackling the question of how to have less fat people would help with a bunch of other seemingly unrelated problems as well.

A few European countries have passed a tax on sugar and the response of the mighty Coca Cola company was that they notably reduced the amount of sugar in their soda pops. Capitalism is good because it rewards effort and therefore pushes people to work hard, but governments have to act as a responsible check to contain capitalism, because in its purest form capitalism is extremely dangerous. The biggest flaw in the current setup of industrialized nations is that people tend to be corrupt, so money can buy laws or the lack thereof; that allows corporations to get richer and repeat this cycle, and that's how the world got so much pollution and fat people.

So yes, we should have no more very fat people. But the responsibility for that lies in large part with the governments who have to make laws that discourage companies from producing very unhealthy food. If the population cannot buy such questionable food, then there aren't obese people in the first place. You see, fat shaming can have its benefits because it can get people to think about the big picture more critically; if it wasn't allowed to talk about fat due to "protecting the feelings of fat people" or some other form of political correctness, then the obesity problem will inevitably persist.

Obesity isn't a health issue, it's a lifestyle choice. In fact, obese people are actually healthier than fit people because they can fit a lot more health in them than those string bean fat shamers.



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RolStoppable said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Yay a fat shaming post in the middle of a pandemic, just what the world needs 

It's not so bad. Instead of getting fully absorbed by the corona hysteria, people should be thinking of all the other things that are connected in the big picture; after all, right now there's more time for that than usual, with so many people either losing their jobs or working only short periods of time each week. Why do Americans get so fat on average? Because corn syrup is omnipresent in processed food. Why is corn syrup everywhere? Because it's sweet and very cheap, so it tastes good and allows manufacturers to pad food instead of having to use healthier and more expensive ingredients to reach the expected size for a meal. It's just one big example of a government putting economic interests of big corporations above the health of the population; tied into that is the pharma industry because it's in their best interest that people aren't healthy.

And yes, it's the government's job to make laws that protect its people, because people don't have the time to research everything all the time. What also ties into food is meat production. Lax laws mean more cheap meat, but it comes at the cost of the environment because of the tremendous amount of animals, both in the masses of food they need to be fed and the questions regarding where there poo should go and the perpetual burping of cows which accounts for quite a significant amount of CO² emissions on this plant. A lot of things are intertwined, so merely tackling the question of how to have less fat people would help with a bunch of other seemingly unrelated problems as well.

A few European countries have passed a tax on sugar and the response of the mighty Coca Cola company was that they notably reduced the amount of sugar in their soda pops. Capitalism is good because it rewards effort and therefore pushes people to work hard, but governments have to act as a responsible check to contain capitalism, because in its purest form capitalism is extremely dangerous. The biggest flaw in the current setup of industrialized nations is that people tend to be corrupt, so money can buy laws or the lack thereof; that allows corporations to get richer and repeat this cycle, and that's how the world got so much pollution and fat people.

So yes, we should have no more very fat people. But the responsibility for that lies in large part with the governments who have to make laws that discourage companies from producing very unhealthy food. If the population cannot buy such questionable food, then there aren't obese people in the first place. You see, fat shaming can have its benefits because it can get people to think about the big picture more critically; if it wasn't allowed to talk about fat due to "protecting the feelings of fat people" or some other form of political correctness, then the obesity problem will inevitably persist.

Corn Syrup is worse than normal sugars for sweeting things.

The human body isnt great at dealing with it, so much of it ends up going to your liver instead.
It gives you a "fatty liver" and scarring reduceing funktion of the liver.
Ontop of this, its linked to giving insulin resistance, and accelerate developement of type 2 diabetes.

"does not acutely stimulate leptin or insulin release and hence may not trigger normal satiety responses"

^ your body doesnt see it, the way it does other sugars.

"found to trigger dopamine responses in the ventral and dorsal striatum, which chronically may lead to downregulation of the D2 receptors and sugar bingeing"

^ effects the way your body respondes to normal sugars.

"associated with elevated blood pressure"

"can increase systolic blood pressure in humans, and this is not seen in subjects given the same dose as glucose"
(worse than eating equal amounts sugar)

"known to induce renal hypertrophy and tubulointerstitial disease"  (bad for your kidney)


My take:
If your worried about obesity + diabetes + blood pressure + liver/kidneys = dont eat too much of this stuff (the less the better tbh).
Im 100% with RolStoppable on this. They should regulate how much companies can use of this stuff in products.



JRPGfan said:

Corn Syrup is worse than normal sugars for sweeting things.

Corn Syrup is a "normal sugar", though. Sugar is just a generic term that includes several things (glucose, saccarose, fructose, lactose and so on).

Corn Syrup is mostly composed of glucose and fructose. Fructose is metabolized by the liver. The same fructose that is contained in fruit. The problem with (high fructose) corn syrup is that it's almost everywhere, so many people consume too much of it.

At the end of the day, all free sugars are bad and should be avoided for most of a human's life (cheating once in a while won't kill anybody). The only exception is fruit and unprocessed food that naturally contain some sugars, among many other healthy things. But as soon as these foods are processed, they can easily become unhealthy. After all, sugar (saccarose) is obtained from harmless plants. For instance, cooking some apples and turning them into jam makes them an unhealthy food option, even if you don't add more sugar. Similarly, fruit juices are a bad idea as well, despite what many believe. It's a little complicated. It's really a shame many people are so clueless when it comes to nutrition. 



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Nvm, sick video from eduador doesnt need to be in here.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 02 April 2020

newwil7l said:
Eating bats needs to be banned and, offenders should be charged with biological terrorism. How many outbreaks need to happen to get this lesson through people's heads? Bats carry more pathogens than any other species.

the thing is, while bats are very likely the reservoir host of this disease and many others, they are unlikely to be the host the virus jumped to us from

for SARS it's highly likely that pigs were the host we got infected by, as they traced an infection route back to a pig farm that contained banana-trees infected fruit bats were eating from

edit: assuming SARS-CoV-2 did originate in bats it would for example be super interesting to know whether or not it can even infect the species of bats it came from anymore in it's current human transmissible form

Last edited by Lafiel - on 02 April 2020