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Mar1217 said:

 I mean it is similar as to why Nintendo were still satisfied with the GameCube sales at the end of the day.

I find it hard to believe Nintendo was satisfied with Gamecube's performance given the userbase decline and pitiful marketshare it represented, and their decision to go in a totally different direction with their next system.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

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HigHurtenflurst said:

This is best i've found for PS1  & PS2:

Wiki has PS2 broken down by region, though not sure how as afaik the info is taken from Sony's press releases which don't usually specify.


Historical press releases about PS from Sony: (just noticed a typo they have on there saying "software/setvices" XD )

https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/archives.html

Also think you are ok for Nintendo data, but here is some useful historical spreadsheets from Nintendo's corporate website:

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/historical_data/index.html

Hi @HigHurtenflurst Thank you very much for these links! I have been checking them out and ther is a ton of data to look at. I saw one of the early press releases and it mentioned regions, someone must have dived real deep into all this data to produce this chart. 

https://www.sie.com/content/dam/corporate/en/corporate/release/pdf/020919e.pdf

 

This 40 million in 2.5 years was a record at the time, I saw that the DS managed to beat it by a little bit and the Wii actually had almost 48M. Switch was a bit short at 36 (but one less holiday).

Thank you very much for this information, I wish I could give more than one thumbs up.

Now to find Sega! and why not, lets search for Atari as well. :)



Mar1217 said:

IF we take Nintendo's management in consideration, the N64 probably was still a good income to them despite the cost of developpement rising due to the 3D tech and the use of cartridges at the time.

Relatively at the time, consoles didn't need to sell to the upwards it does today. I mean it is similar as to why Nintendo were still satisfied with the GameCube sales at the end of the day.

I would assume that these consoles are somewhat profitable even with such low sales. Thanks to the link that @HigHurtenflurst shared, the GC and N64 still managed to sell a lot of software. 

 

My question is how is it possible that such a machine that gave me such great games and countless hours of fun, could have sold so little, less than both of its predecessors.



dmillos said:

Hi @HigHurtenflurst Thank you very much for these links! I have been checking them out and ther is a ton of data to look at. I saw one of the early press releases and it mentioned regions, someone must have dived real deep into all this data to produce this chart. 

https://www.sie.com/content/dam/corporate/en/corporate/release/pdf/020919e.pdf

 

This 40 million in 2.5 years was a record at the time, I saw that the DS managed to beat it by a little bit and the Wii actually had almost 48M. Switch was a bit short at 36 (but one less holiday).

Thank you very much for this information, I wish I could give more than one thumbs up.

Now to find Sega! and why not, lets search for Atari as well. :)

Sony used to report regional breakdowns so the early figures on wiki will be from those... they did it in quarterly reports back in 2002 (on the wiki page for PS2 you can see it has new rows every 3 months... then after that it gets updated either when Sony made press releases or once per fiscal year.

Early in PS3 life they stopped reporting shipment numbers at all (for fiscal reports it's not a legal requirement as it's about revenue & profits, not unit sales) apart from the occasional press release with global milestone totals.

Actually just found some better shipment data for Sony, it has FY2008 to 2011 broken down by quarter: Here
If you open the FY2001-2011 consolidated data spreadsheet, then go to the P50 & P51 sheets that's the best shipment data I have seen from Sony in that period.



HigHurtenflurst said:

Sony used to report regional breakdowns so the early figures on wiki will be from those... they did it in quarterly reports back in 2002 (on the wiki page for PS2 you can see it has new rows every 3 months... then after that it gets updated either when Sony made press releases or once per fiscal year.

Early in PS3 life they stopped reporting shipment numbers at all (for fiscal reports it's not a legal requirement as it's about revenue & profits, not unit sales) apart from the occasional press release with global milestone totals.

Actually just found some better shipment data for Sony, it has FY2008 to 2011 broken down by quarter: Here
If you open the FY2001-2011 consolidated data spreadsheet, then go to the P50 & P51 sheets that's the best shipment data I have seen from Sony in that period.

Wow! Thank you very much @HigHurtenflurst This is awesome! it is a bunch of data, but I can use it to double check a little bit of the other sources to see if they are accurate. 



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dmillos said:

Now to find Sega! and why not, lets search for Atari as well. :)

Found this for Sega, only goes back to FY2000 (ending March 2000) but does mean it has Dreamcast, but I doubt I will be able to find any concrete info on older Sega or Atari.

No handy to read tables in the reports, but from the FY2000 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 950,000
USA - 2,500,000
Europe - 1,040,000
Other - 160,000

Total - 4,650,000

It also states that the cumulative total is 5,550,000 which means the year ending March 1999 it shipped 900,000 (I believe it was Japan only at the time)

Then in the next report for FY2001 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 470,000
USA - 1,780,000
Europe - 930,000
Other - 210,000

Total - 3,390,000


They discontinued the DC in Jan 2001, but they had some inventory left to sell for the following FY 2002 I just can't find where it states how many... The total of what I found above comes to 8,940,000 though, and if regular Wikipedia total of 9.13mil is correct, then it would be 190,000, but in the same Wiki is states estimated remaining inventory as of April 2001 was ~900,000, so kinda conflicting.

So year ending:
31/03/1999 = 900,000 (Japan only)
31/03/2000 = 4,650,000
31/03/2001 = 3,390,000
31/03/2002 = 190,000 or ~900,000 (based on Wikipedia LTD only)



HigHurtenflurst said:

Found this for Sega, only goes back to FY2000 (ending March 2000) but does mean it has Dreamcast, but I doubt I will be able to find any concrete info on older Sega or Atari.

No handy to read tables in the reports, but from the FY2000 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 950,000
USA - 2,500,000
Europe - 1,040,000
Other - 160,000

Total - 4,650,000

It also states that the cumulative total is 5,550,000 which means the year ending March 1999 it shipped 900,000 (I believe it was Japan only at the time)

Then in the next report for FY2001 I got this:

Dreamcast shipments:
Japan - 470,000
USA - 1,780,000
Europe - 930,000
Other - 210,000

Total - 3,390,000


They discontinued the DC in Jan 2001, but they had some inventory left to sell for the following FY 2002 I just can't find where it states how many... The total of what I found above comes to 8,940,000 though, and if regular Wikipedia total of 9.13mil is correct, then it would be 190,000, but in the same Wiki is states estimated remaining inventory as of April 2001 was ~900,000, so kinda conflicting.

So year ending:
31/03/1999 = 900,000 (Japan only)
31/03/2000 = 4,650,000
31/03/2001 = 3,390,000
31/03/2002 = 190,000 or ~900,000 (based on Wikipedia LTD only)

As always, thank you very much @HigHurtenflurst for your time. it definitely seems tougher to find data for these older consoles so I appreciate your insights.

I remember the dreamcast, I think it was maybe a bit ahead of its time. At the moment I remember being amazed at its internet capabilities. Too bad it was basically a WiiU, but unfortunately there wasn't a Switch to save them.



Week 50 Breakdown:

PlayStation 4: Down in all regions.
Xbox One: Down in all regions.
Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

I’m too drunk right now to make projections.(Had a wild night tonight.) I’ll do it tomorrow.



PAOerfulone said:

Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.



Bet with Liquidlaser: I say PS5 and Xbox Series will sell more than 56 million combined by the end of 2023.

curl-6 said:
PAOerfulone said:

Nintendo Switch: Up in Europe and Rest of the World; Down in the U.S. and Japan; Up overall.

Interesting that Europe and ROTW, not typically Switch's strongest markets, are able to overpower the US and Japan and keep it up overall.

Latest shipments figures from Nintendo shows

Americas ~ EU+ ROTW

EU ~ Japan

EU + Rotw > Japan

So it's not really out of the ordinary.