Shaunodon said:
That'd be in line with current systems. Would that set the standard for future naming of systems? Would it then go on to, 'Xbox Series 2' and 'Xbox Series 2X', or 'Xbox 2 Series' and 'Xbox 2 Series X'? |
I think mid gen were probably gonna get an Xbox Series S (slim) and Xbox Series X plus or pro. Next gen they could do Xbox Series 2nd generation or Xbox Series 2.
You guys expect the price to be revealed in July or August after Sony reveals the price?
| jason1637 said: You guys expect the price to be revealed in July or August after Sony reveals the price? |
I've love them just to come out directly with the July showing and announce $499 for XSX. That's the easiest way to one-up Sony's show. Seems very unlikely Sony could undercut, other than maybe $449 for the digital model. But not sure that'd mean much, and the cheaper Xbox should compete with that anyway.
| shikamaru317 said: I'm expecting $500 discless/$550 disc drive for PS5 personally. PS5 seems expensive to build, more expensive than XSX imo, don't think they can hit $450 discless/$500 disc drive without selling it at a pretty big loss, and losses on hardware add up quick. A $50 loss with 20m consoles sold is $1B lost, and I feel like PS5 would sell at least 20m before they can get the manufacturing costs down to where it wouldn't be selling at a loss $450/$500. Even with services, digital profit margin, accessory sales and such, that is alot to be losing on hardware. |
And on top of that, once they'd sold 20 million consoles they'd be at the point consumers were agitating for a price cut, putting them right back where they started.
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shikamaru317 said:
I think they will only announce in July if they already plan to sell Series X at a loss. If they can announce $300 for Series S and $450 for Series X, I think they will go ahead and announce pricing in July. But it would be very risky to announce $350 S/$500 X in July, because it gives Sony a chance to pull a 2013 mic drop announcement on them by undercutting their price with $450 on their discless model. Microsoft doesn't seem to have a discless Series X based on rumors, so they have to be extremely careful with pricing. A situation like this would go very badly for Microsoft:
In that situation, not only would there be a cheaper PS5 model than the Series X, but the $100 price difference between Series S and discless PS5 wouldn't be enough to justify missing out on 6 tflops of extra power (plus other higher specs on PS5) for many gamers. Best case scenario for MS from a sales perspective is probably:
This would move alot of hardware early gen for MS, which would pay dividends later in the gen (more people who buy the console, the more people there are to buy games, accessories, and gamepass/live subs later in the gen), but they'd almost certainly be selling both Xbox consoles at a loss to hit those prices, which would add up alot over time. MS can offset alot of that loss with subscriptions, digital game sales profit margin, and accessories, but selling hardware at a loss could cut into marketing and 2nd/3rd party exclusive budgets early gen most likely. It also limits price cut possibilities in the future, because they'd have to wait on manufacturing costs to drop low enough that they will no longer be selling at a loss after a price cut. Of course, there is also the possibility that MS has bumped up the specs on Lockhart since we last heard about it in January. 6-7 tflop for $350 would be pretty attractive compared to a 10 tflop discless PS5 for $450. |
But how ready is the marketplace for a discless system? You may save $50 at purchase, but then you lose the chance for physical sales and trade-ins, possibly costing you down the line. Especially when both systems only have one online marketplace afaik? Surely those thoughts of doubt would stick in consumers' minds.
I think if somehow the discless model was a $100 undercut, that'd make a huge wave. But would $50 really make an impact?
shikamaru317 said:
I think they will only announce in July if they already plan to sell Series X at a loss. If they can announce $300 for Series S and $450 for Series X, I think they will go ahead and announce pricing in July. But it would be very risky to announce $350 S/$500 X in July, because it gives Sony a chance to pull a 2013 mic drop announcement on them by undercutting their price with $450 on their discless model. Microsoft doesn't seem to have a discless Series X based on rumors, so they have to be extremely careful with pricing. A situation like this would go very badly for Microsoft:
In that situation, not only would there be a cheaper PS5 model than the Series X, but the $100 price difference between Series S and discless PS5 wouldn't be enough to justify missing out on 6 tflops of extra power (plus other higher specs on PS5) for many gamers. Best case scenario for MS from a sales perspective is probably:
This would move alot of hardware early gen for MS, which would pay dividends later in the gen (more people who buy the console, the more people there are to buy games, accessories, and gamepass/live subs later in the gen), but they'd almost certainly be selling both Xbox consoles at a loss to hit those prices, which would add up alot over time. MS can offset alot of that loss with subscriptions, digital game sales profit margin, and accessories, but selling hardware at a loss could cut into marketing and 2nd/3rd party exclusive budgets early gen most likely. It also limits price cut possibilities in the future, because they'd have to wait on manufacturing costs to drop low enough that they will no longer be selling at a loss after a price cut. Of course, there is also the possibility that MS has bumped up the specs on Lockhart since we last heard about it in January. 6-7 tflop for $350 would be much more attractive compared to a 10 tflop discless PS5 for $450 than 4 tflop for $350 or even $300 imo. |
I think a lot of people are under-estimating the DEV. cost of the SSD tech for the Play Station Five. I would not be surprised if the Xbox Series X is 50$ less expensive than the Play Station Five with Microsoft losing less money on it than the competitor. The 12 vs 10 (I think this is not even raw but boosted, so it is probably closer to the initial 9.2TF anyway) is less costly than what the SSD tech from Sony.
For Lockhart, I would also not be surprised if it is more than 4TF and something like 7/8 TF but way less expensive than the Play Station Five digital. I think on DF they were talking about how much the Blueray drive cost (something like 20$) but there would be not point for Sony to come up with one SKU at 500$ and the other one at 480$... So yah, 50$ difference is very likely and they want to push the whole digital thing obviously as it is just better for them and the Play Station store, same for Microsoft.
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shikamaru317 said:
I think they will only announce in July if they already plan to sell Series X at a loss. If they can announce $300 for Series S and $450 for Series X, I think they will go ahead and announce pricing in July. But it would be very risky to announce $350 S/$500 X in July, because it gives Sony a chance to pull a 2013 mic drop announcement on them by undercutting their price with $450 on their discless model. Microsoft doesn't seem to have a discless Series X based on rumors, so they have to be extremely careful with pricing. A situation like this would go very badly for Microsoft:
In that situation, not only would there be a cheaper PS5 model than the Series X, but the $100 price difference between Series S and discless PS5 wouldn't be enough to justify missing out on 6 tflops of extra power (plus other higher specs on PS5) for many gamers. Best case scenario for MS from a sales perspective is probably:
This would move alot of hardware early gen for MS, which would pay dividends later in the gen (more people who buy the console, the more people there are to buy games, accessories, and gamepass/live subs later in the gen), but they'd almost certainly be selling both Xbox consoles at a loss to hit those prices, which would add up alot over time. MS can offset alot of that loss with subscriptions, digital game sales profit margin, and accessories, but selling hardware at a loss could cut into marketing and 2nd/3rd party exclusive budgets early gen most likely. It also limits price cut possibilities in the future, because they'd have to wait on manufacturing costs to drop low enough that they will no longer be selling at a loss after a price cut. Of course, there is also the possibility that MS has bumped up the specs on Lockhart since we last heard about it in January. 6-7 tflop for $350 would be much more attractive compared to a 10 tflop discless PS5 for $450 than 4 tflop for $350 or even $300 imo. I personally hope that they did increase the specs on Lockhart after those developers expressed concerns to MS about Lockhart holding back next-gen development. |
Yeah I agree with this. It's much safer to wait for Sony to announce the price first and then they can drop the price in their delayed Xboxing day event in August.
Hopefully they bumped Lockhart to 6tf and price it at $350. That would be a killer blow to Sonys strategy.
Finally done with Shadow Warrior.
Game is much longer than you'd expect. Each level (except for the boss levels) took me around an hour, so one playthrough takes roughly 15 hours.
It's pretty low budget and came out early so the graphics are a mixture of last gen and current gen. The gameplay is pretty fun but not fun enough to stay fresh for 15 hours. Level design could be better as there's quite a bit of backtracking and sometimes you're just completely lost. Enemy variety is quite big but it's still getting repetitive when your game is that long and all but one enemy type show up in the first half of the game.
I didn't really care for the story, there's just not much happening. They also didn't use the main character very well. He's very likeable in the first few chapters, has some cheesy and cocky lines, similar to Duke Nukem but after a while he just stops being interesing or funny. Definitely a wasted potential.
7.5/10
Btw. I'm back from my week-long vacation.
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shikamaru317 said:
I agree that the bill of materials on PS5 is likely higher than the bill of materials on XSX. Yes, XSX's chipset is much larger and therefore more expensive to fabricate, due to the fact it has 52 CU's compared to 36 CU's on PS5. But, PS5 has an expensive custom SDD compared to a cheaper basically off the shelf SSD on Series X. PS5's controller has an internal battery, advanced haptic feedback motors, resistance trigger motors, a touchpad, a microphone, and a speaker, all things that the Xbox Series X controller lacks. The PS5's case is about 30% larger, which is 30% more plastic that has to be produced. PS5 may have multiple fans to keep it cool, considering how long the vents are and the fact that they are relying quite heavily on high clock rates for their GPU, while XSX can be cooled by a single fan thanks to it's much slower GPU clockspeeds and case design. If MS and Sony both decided to sell at cost and break even on hardware, I think Xbox Series X would do just fine. My concern is that MS will sell at cost at $500, while Sony will decide to undercut them and sell at a loss early gen, especially on their discless model, since the higher profit margin on digital game sales can offset alot of that loss. A $450 discless PS5 would be bad for a $500 XSX, and bad for a $350 lockhart, unless lockhart's specs have been increased a good bit since the last specs leak for it. |
Not only that, but the gap between high performance SSDs and the lower performance NVMes means there's a $100 difference in that alone:
https://www.amazon.com/Internal-Solid-State-Drives/b/ref=dp_bc_aui_C_4?ie=UTF8&node=1292116011
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