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DroidKnight on 20 January 2022

After all contracts and obligations are met, they should continue to put CoD on the PS platforms, just 6 months to a year after launch.

If CoD fans want to play it early, they still can, just on an Xbox or PC. If the customer is a die-hard Sony fan where brand loyalty is more important, then they shouldn't mind the wait.



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jason1637 on 20 January 2022
shikamaru317 said:
jason1637 said:

Yeah MS isnt gonna stop Sony from doing timed exclusives when they also do the same. That's like MS saying stop trying to compete with us if you want CoD. The lack of CoD will just make Sony want to double down on timed exclusives.

The last AAA timed exclusive deal from Microsoft was Rise of the Tomb Raider in 2015, and after that Phil swore he would stop doing them, and thus far he hasn't. The biggest timed deal they have done since is STALKER 2, and it's not even truly AAA, at least not on the scale of what Sony has been hatting (it's more like the middle ground between AA and AAA), and Xbox only hatted it for 3 months, all of Sony's are 1 or 2 years (possibly lifetime when it comes to Final Fantasy), and it's also a series that has never been on console before now, everything Sony is hatting are from studios who would otherwise be releasing on Xbox as they have all done so in the past.

Xbox loses nothing by using CoD (and big Blizzard IP's like Diablo and Overwatch if necessary) to end this timed exclusivity bullshit permanently between both Xbox and PS. All timed exclusivity does is hurt gamers on all platforms.

Xbox has ARK 2 as a timed exclusive 



kirby007 on 20 January 2022
Ryuu96 said:

Bold.

Good luck, Lol.

Can't see how they match that statement unless they make some major acquisitions.

Netflox uses about 15b yearly on content acquisition.



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EspadaGrim on 20 January 2022
shikamaru317 said:
jason1637 said:

Xbox has ARK 2 as a timed exclusive 

Also not AAA, the studio that makes it has 75 devs, puts them in AA territory. Phil hasn't gotten a true AAA timed exclusive since Rise of the Tomb Raider in 2015. 

It's also not on the same level at all, Ark 2 and Stalker 2 are self published games by small studios.



EspadaGrim on 20 January 2022
Hiku said:
Ryuu96 said:

Can you actually have cat ears in the game? Or did it remain a concept?
I bet that would be a DLC ppl would buy.

It already Happened and it was one of the most if not the most bought items in the store, nearly every match online you find someone using the cat ear Helmet.



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Machiavellian on 20 January 2022
EspadaGrim said:
Machiavellian said:

Or you can push GP on every device that can play games and get people to sub because one place will have it all with one sub.  I believe you are way to narrow in your focus on consoles and MS has moved beyond console wars.  Its the sub wars now and getting an eco system that has the most top rated games in one place.  Forget the console wars, MS isn't spending billions trying to win that battle anymore.

Let me explain to you why Gamepass wouldn’t work on PlayStation, Sony would never allow Gamepass on their platform that has 3rd party games on it because it would directly cut into their own store revenue and then you would have a GP on PlayStation that only has Xbox 1st party games that wouldn’t include BC titles unless PlayStation also allows Xcloud as well also Sony wouldn’t demand native versions of those games on their store. If MS makes a GP on PlayStation that has a way smaller library on it then do you think that Sony would be happy letting them charge the same 10$ a month for a lesser experience? And then what would you have in that scenario?

It would effectively kill Xbox as a console because why would ever want to buy a Xbox when you can buy a PS5 with actual exclusives while subbing to GP whenever MS releases a title you would interested in playing.

Phil is smarter than any of us and I trust that he knows what he is doing, but I don’t see any benefits as an Xbox user by having Gamepass and effectively 1st party games on PlayStation.

Not sure why you put Sony in your response to mine as I did not make any statement on GP on the PS system.  I was talking about that MS does not care about the console war anymore.  When MS pays 70 billion for a game publisher, this is not a move for Xbox, this is a company wide move where everything hinges on MS services.  MS is a service company now and they are hedging their entire company on creating this huge layered services that will entice billions of users to join.  What you are looking at is probably only 5% of MS goal and you believe these moves are done in competition against Sony but its not.  These moves are done in competition to Apple, Google, Amazon, all the big players.  GP is just one service that MS is looking to leverage all their services.

So if MS could put GP on Sony and Nintendo system they would do so in a heart beat.  You are looking at the situation like a Xbox/MS fan but you really not looking at it like an investment that spans all of MS as a company.  Do not be surprised when you see 365 and GP bundled together or even a host of different bundled options and services together.  Having a billion subs is way more important to MS then having 50 million or even 100 million Xbox consoles sold.

All these companies are rushing to create sub based gaming subscriptions.  For consumers there is only so many subscriptions they are going to purchase so the first company to separate themselves from the rest usually takes the lion share.  Bundle enough value in those subscriptions and its feels like a no brainer.  

The thing I believe is missing from MS profolio is some type of TV/Movie service like Netflix.  I can see Sony combining all their services into a subscription and include TV/Movies for a nice competition to GP.  Its going to be very interesting how all these companies jocky for position in the next 5 years.

Getting back on track, I will say again, the console war is over, its now the subscription wars and its whoever can put together the most top rated content with a decent price that wins the crown.  One thing for sure, the influx of money in the gaming space will be significant.  Making me think its about that time to try my hand at building a game.

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jason1637 on 20 January 2022
shikamaru317 said:
jason1637 said:

Xbox has ARK 2 as a timed exclusive 

Also not AAA, the studio that makes it has 75 devs, puts them in AA territory. Phil hasn't gotten a true AAA timed exclusive since Rise of the Tomb Raider in 2015. 

Ark 2 is definitely AAA. It has big Hollywood people like Vin Diesel and the first game made boat loads of money for the second games budget to be considered AAA

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EspadaGrim on 21 January 2022

Was just thinking that when you look at Respawn and compare them to Raven, Treyarch, Sledgehammer, Infinity Ward it's pretty crazy, Respawn are smaller than all of the studios alone and yet has done so much in so little time.
They made two TitanFalls, a AAA action game in Jedi: Fallen Order with another on the way and released a F2P Battle Royal FPS that gets updated on and while I know that they got support from other EA studios it's extremely impressive on how efficient they are while still being tiny when compared to the 4 studios that MS just bought.

Imagine if with the creative freedom that MS is going to give these studios some of the can maybe replicate that same success, these 4 are the top dogs of Activision and have potential to usher in a new era for that division. I know it's wishful thinking but it does now get me excited for the potential future and possibilities if handled correctly.

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Barozi on 21 January 2022

Out of curiosity, how long do you expect future MS "E3" shows to be with all these new studios? I think they used to be 90 minutes but I'm not even sure if 2 hours are enough to show everything. Well, maybe if they completely disregard third parties...



Shinobi-san on 21 January 2022
crissindahouse said:

Phil should use CoD to stop Sony from paying for exclusivity deals. But I guess in the end Sony will still get exclusivity deal after deal while asking Microsoft to still release games of then their studio on PS and because Phil is too nice sometimes he will do so lol

Sometimes it pays to be nice :(. I think Sony is a distraction at this point for MS - they have their eyes set on a much bigger target.



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