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setsunatenshi on 06 January 2020
haxxiy said:
setsunatenshi said:
Latest from Komachi, apparently one of the SOCs had 3 more significant revisions since leak, that's potentially giant news and seems to confirm other rumors that Sony had made substantial changes recently.
As long as it's still related to Oberon (which likely is), then the old specs are completely non representative of the final hardware.
I'm a lot more hopeful now, but let's see.

It might be a good downclock, like it happened with the PS3's RSX, for all we know ¯|_(ツ)_/¯ I mean, it necessarily has to do with clocks this late in the game. Or maybe disabled parts of the chip, if you're really feeling it's your lucky day to bet.

(Some rumors once circulated about the PS4 doubling its RAM because 2 gb chips were suddenly available in 2013 and yadda yadda but these have been dismissed since).

My guess, and pure speculation here, downclock the GPU and increased CU count.

2GHz always seemed way too high to me for a home console, but let's see. the important part is that it's an open game right now, and the other rumors of some form of hardware parity with xsx (with slight edge to one of them) are now perfectly compatible with the old leak.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 January 2020
goopy20 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, those GoW titles you call spin offs are not spin offs. They are simply GoW games.

I agree Sony has done a great job making new IPs, it comes partly out necessity though. They needed to make new IPs because their old ones weren't that interesting anymore. What bugs me is Sony keeps making story driven 3rd person adventure games and I find that kinda boring. But its successful so I can't argue with them beating that horse.

Bungie moved away from Halo because they didn't own it. They simply created a Halo clone with RPG elements.

Something you may find interesting is Epic was actually working on Gears 4 before MS purchased the IP. Not only were they working on it, but many of the ideas were used in the game Coalition created. Taking that into consideration its possible Epic would have done something with Gears if MS did not buy it. However, I don't think Epic has really made a single player or story driven game in years.

When it comes to Halo and Gears, there are tons of stories they could do just in those worlds. Uncharted can't really do that though, those games are about Nathan Drake. GoW can't do that either, because nobody cares about that world beyond Kratos. Games like Halo, Gears and Fable don't have to rely on the same protagonist per se.

MS bought the rights of Gears because Epic wanted to focus on other projects. 3 Years later, Epic launched Fortnite, one of the most popular games of all time with 250m players and billions of yearly revenue. While MS made 2 lack luster Gears games with a 82 metacritic score that sold 20 times less of what Gears 3 did.   

There's no arguing taste, of course, and I did enjoy Halo and Gears. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to see something different from MS's first party studios. I mean the next gen is about to start and MS still has only Halo, Forza and Gears to persuade people to buy their console instead of Sony's. What's worse is that both Halo and Gears are seeing a downwards trend in sales and review scores. While Sony has been hitting home runs with new ip's, both in critical acclaim and sales, for years. 

Right, Epic made a fortune with Fortnite. Does that mean Epic can only work on a single project at once? Epic also sold Gears well before Fortnite became a success. At that point they were working on multiple projects, not just Fortnite.

Okay, you're saying a bunch of nonsense now. On Metacritic Gears Ultimate got a 82, Gears 4 got a 84 and Gear 5 got a 84. All respectable scores for products that don't necessarily appeal to critics. Fortnite on PS4 had 78 when it launched.

Gears 4 or 5 didn't sell as much as Gears 3, but does that mean they're failures? Absolutely not. Your assumption of "sold 20 times less than Gears 3" is incorrect.

Are we now pretending mega popular IPs are now the only incentive to buying a console? They have the IPs you mentioned, Hellblade 2 was announced, Outer Worlds sequel may be exclusive, Obsidian and Rare showed new IPs and its safe to assume other new IPs will come. Then you have the biggest reason people buy Playstation and Xbox consoles, multiplat games like Fortnite.

MS claimed Gears 5 sold great, but I'm sure you'll be skeptical about that. Meanwhile Halo Infinite could be a great success. I don't think these IPs will break records, but they seem to do well.

What is this about anyway? Are you under the impression I am trying to have a console war debate? Grow up, I'm just looking at the facts as a consumer that enjoys both really.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 January 2020
NavyNut said:
I'll myself go with the most powerful console, I'm a sucker for graphics but I prefer the PS5 with sony exclusives but who knows ms could surprise us with something new.

If we end up with PS5 at 9TF and Series X at 12 TF, I feel like its gonna be another Pro and X situation.

Games that are about equal on both but better resolution on Series X.

I don't really expect a game on Series X that will blow away PS5 in a significant way, unless you really appreciate higher resolutions. If the Lockhart model does exist that would likely outsell the Series X as well.



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DonFerrari on 06 January 2020
NavyNut said:
I'll myself go with the most powerful console, I'm a sucker for graphics but I prefer the PS5 with sony exclusives but who knows ms could surprise us with something new.

I'm a sucker for graphics as well, and you get it from the better use of the HW.

So even though X1X is more powerful than PS4Pro, the exclusives of Sony use the power of PS4Pro better than the exclusives of MS. So PS4Pro really met my needs.

And considering you can have the best version of both 3rd party games and MS ones on PC, upgrade your PC to play next gen games XSX will receive until there is a reason to buy PS5 for its exclusives.



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method114 on 06 January 2020
Mr Puggsly said:
method114 said:

they wouldnt. if thats ms's strategy than its a horrible one.

Do PC gamers generally buy consoles in general? There are parts of the world where many opt for PC over console as well.

People on the internet fake concern about Xbox losing sales to PC. However, I imagine MS is instead focusing on the audience that may not do much if any console gaming.

For example, Halo MCC is becoming a huge is hit on PC likely because many who just game on PC finally have access to it. An audience that wasnt going to buy an Xbox under any circumstance. Hence, more revenue via an audience that may not use consoles.

Why are people buying Halo MCC now? Why didnt they buy a X1 years ago to play it? Maybe because they dont want to use consoles. Maybe?

Yea to play exclusives but it's a small group when compared to the whole of gaming. I have both a gaming PC and PS4. MS has essentially made it unnecessary to ever buy their console if your a PC gamer but I think they benefit more off of the software sales than they would hoping PC gamers buy their consoles for exclusives.



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method114 on 06 January 2020
NavyNut said:
I'll myself go with the most powerful console, I'm a sucker for graphics but I prefer the PS5 with sony exclusives but who knows ms could surprise us with something new.

At this point the surprise would have to be something real. Not some game announcement that will get canceled or delayed for years to come. I left 360 because MS abandoned the console while I was watching PS3 players get new exclusives up until the PS4 released. On top of that fact that MS was obsessed with sequels. I love Halo and Gears of War but that's not all I want to play.



Trumpstyle on 06 January 2020
setsunatenshi said:
Latest from Komachi, apparently one of the SOCs had 3 more significant revisions since leak, that's potentially giant news and seems to confirm other rumors that Sony had made substantial changes recently.
As long as it's still related to Oberon (which likely is), then the old specs are completely non representative of the final hardware.
I'm a lot more hopeful now, but let's see.

Or Sony are having a hard time hitting 2ghz on their chip.

According to Redgamingtech this is the PS5 devkit and it looks very similiar to oberon.

I guess it's possible you and itsmeintel are correct that Oberon is just an old chip that Sony is currently using in their devkits and they are making a new chip to hit 11TF if redgamingtech is correct.



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Mr Puggsly on 06 January 2020
method114 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Do PC gamers generally buy consoles in general? There are parts of the world where many opt for PC over console as well.

People on the internet fake concern about Xbox losing sales to PC. However, I imagine MS is instead focusing on the audience that may not do much if any console gaming.

For example, Halo MCC is becoming a huge is hit on PC likely because many who just game on PC finally have access to it. An audience that wasnt going to buy an Xbox under any circumstance. Hence, more revenue via an audience that may not use consoles.

Why are people buying Halo MCC now? Why didnt they buy a X1 years ago to play it? Maybe because they dont want to use consoles. Maybe?

Yea to play exclusives but it's a small group when compared to the whole of gaming. I have both a gaming PC and PS4. MS has essentially made it unnecessary to ever buy their console if your a PC gamer but I think they benefit more off of the software sales than they would hoping PC gamers buy their consoles for exclusives.

That's exactly the point I am making. Many in the west simply opt for consoles because its a relatively cheap box that's easy to use. Console gamers aren't gonna buy more expensive PCs to play Xbox games. Meanwhile people who buy expensive PCs aren't necessarily interested in buying a Xbox under any circumstance. Millions apparently own Halo Reach on PC now, safe bet most of that is not Xbox owners.

Maybe Gamepass on PC also looks like a better deal if you live in a region where gaming, especially console gaming is expensive. They are bringing the service to a lot of countries Xbox simply isn't that relevant.

People say MS needs to reach out internationally with Xbox, but I don't think its realistic for various reasons. The easiest way to get more people playing their games and potentially trying Gamepass is put it on a popular platform internationally, PC.



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DonFerrari on 06 January 2020
Trumpstyle said:
setsunatenshi said:
Latest from Komachi, apparently one of the SOCs had 3 more significant revisions since leak, that's potentially giant news and seems to confirm other rumors that Sony had made substantial changes recently.
As long as it's still related to Oberon (which likely is), then the old specs are completely non representative of the final hardware.
I'm a lot more hopeful now, but let's see.

Or Sony are having a hard time hitting 2ghz on their chip.

According to Redgamingtech this is the PS5 devkit and it looks very similiar to oberon.

I guess it's possible you and itsmeintel are correct that Oberon is just an old chip that Sony is currently using in their devkits and they are making a new chip to hit 11TF if redgamingtech is correct.

Wasn't 9TF final? You can't change what is final... 



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setsunatenshi on 06 January 2020
Trumpstyle said:
setsunatenshi said:
Latest from Komachi, apparently one of the SOCs had 3 more significant revisions since leak, that's potentially giant news and seems to confirm other rumors that Sony had made substantial changes recently.
As long as it's still related to Oberon (which likely is), then the old specs are completely non representative of the final hardware.
I'm a lot more hopeful now, but let's see.

Or Sony are having a hard time hitting 2ghz on their chip.

According to Redgamingtech this is the PS5 devkit and it looks very similiar to oberon.

I guess it's possible you and itsmeintel are correct that Oberon is just an old chip that Sony is currently using in their devkits and they are making a new chip to hit 11TF if redgamingtech is correct.

The RGT guys aren't insiders nor do they get any confidential info we don't have access to. So why exactly are you referencing them on this one?

The main point is, even if the old Oberon leak was correct, there have already been done not 1,  not 2, but 3 major revisions of the SoC. So we literally have no idea what the current specs are.

So why exactly are you mentioning 11TFlops??