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Chazore said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I'm sorry Chazore, I can't let you do that.

Alright, we already got Skynet in China, what more do ya'll want?. 

Cyberdyne in Japan, already heavily invested into robotics and artificial limbs. Even called their main product HAL.

Yeah, I'd call it tempting fate by that point. Just hope they don't deliver their products through Skynet...



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Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

I don't think the purpose of the SSD or if there will be hdd support is a rumor anymore. MArk Cerny talked pretty detailed about it and is calling the ssd a game changer and the key to the next generation. 

"Cerny claims that it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs. That’s not all. “The raw read speed is important,“ Cerny says, “but so are the details of the I/O [input-output] mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them. I got a PlayStation 4 Pro and then I put in a SSD that cost as much as the PlayStation 4 Pro—it might be one-third faster." As opposed to 19 times faster for the next-gen console, judging from the fast-travel demo."

It's true that the N64 also had almost zero loading times but this next gen SSD's are obviously meant for vastly more complex open world game design. It's up to the developers what they'll do with it, but I'm guessing games like a new BF, Apex Legends, Fortnite, Halo etc. gonna look pretty awesome.  

Er. The SSD is certainly not a rumor, nor did I frame it as such if you bothered to read my post.


I was talking about hdd support and if these next gen consoles will come with both a ssd and hdd like we see on most pc's. It's pretty obvious that they will not as all games will be designed around the fact that it will run from a ssd. Storage will probably be an issue and therefore they've already talked about how you will be able to install and delete certain parts of games. For example, if you've finished a game and only want to keep playing the multiplayer part, you'll be able to delete the single player campaign to save up space. 

Like I said, it's something we haven't quite seen before on pc, except for maybe Star Citizen where they strongly recommend a ssd. But even that game is still designed to run from hdd as well.  



Eh. All this specs talk. Meanwhile I'm playing Anno 1800 on my Core2Duo.



S.Peelman said:
Eh. All this specs talk. Meanwhile I'm playing Anno 1800 on my Core2Duo.

I didn't think that'd even be possible. xD



goopy20 said:
Pemalite said:

Er. The SSD is certainly not a rumor, nor did I frame it as such if you bothered to read my post.


I was talking about hdd support and if these next gen consoles will come with both a ssd and hdd like we see on most pc's. It's pretty obvious that they will not as all games will be designed around the fact that it will run from a ssd. Storage will probably be an issue and therefore they've already talked about how you will be able to install and delete certain parts of games. For example, if you've finished a game and only want to keep playing the multiplayer part, you'll be able to delete the single player campaign to save up space. 

Like I said, it's something we haven't quite seen before on pc, except for maybe Star Citizen where they strongly recommend a ssd. But even that game is still designed to run from hdd as well.  

The point I am making is that it's all rumor and speculation until Microsoft and Sony reveal all the details of their hardware.

Uninstalling parts of a game will only get you so far, at the end of the day, next gen games are either going to stay about the same size as current games or get larger, even when you take into account partial installs. (Which the Xbox has been capable of for years anyway even if game support is lacking.)

I have 18 Terabytes of storage on my Xbox One X @ 50% full, couldn't imagine trying to survive with only a pitiful 1-2 Terabytes for next gen.

The other issue with NAND is that it's not good for cold storage, it will bit flip... Which becomes a more pronounced issue on higher density, TLC/QLC NAND and these devices are expected to last a console generation, could get interesting.



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Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

I was talking about hdd support and if these next gen consoles will come with both a ssd and hdd like we see on most pc's. It's pretty obvious that they will not as all games will be designed around the fact that it will run from a ssd. Storage will probably be an issue and therefore they've already talked about how you will be able to install and delete certain parts of games. For example, if you've finished a game and only want to keep playing the multiplayer part, you'll be able to delete the single player campaign to save up space. 

Like I said, it's something we haven't quite seen before on pc, except for maybe Star Citizen where they strongly recommend a ssd. But even that game is still designed to run from hdd as well.  

The point I am making is that it's all rumor and speculation until Microsoft and Sony reveal all the details of their hardware.

Uninstalling parts of a game will only get you so far, at the end of the day, next gen games are either going to stay about the same size as current games or get larger, even when you take into account partial installs. (Which the Xbox has been capable of for years anyway even if game support is lacking.)

I have 18 Terabytes of storage on my Xbox One X @ 50% full, couldn't imagine trying to survive with only a pitiful 1-2 Terabytes for next gen.

The other issue with NAND is that it's not good for cold storage, it will bit flip... Which becomes a more pronounced issue on higher density, TLC/QLC NAND and these devices are expected to last a console generation, could get interesting.

Yeah, I see long term storage and archiving becoming increasingly an issue, not just from those SSD, but from how the publishers handle their software in general. So many games have been lost already over time and the way they're handling things on their end this will only get worse.



PCs lasts longer than consoles. In 2017, I got myself a 1080 Ti FTW3, and a Ryzen 7 1800X. The 1800X was upgraded to a 3900x, and the minimum upgrade in terms of GPUs that I would even remotely consider is a 3080 Ti. There's not enough of a bump to justify getting a whole new card for the small bump in performance I'd get.

Furthermore, except for the fighting games that are mandatory locked at 60 fps, I don't play games at that frame-rate. I play at 2560 x 1440, and 120 FPS, although my monitor supports up to 165, the slightest frame drops drive me up the wall.

My monitor is 1MS Gray to gray, and 9ms display lag. My 4096 X 2160 tv has 17ms display lag. I COULD play on my 4K TV, but I'd much rather play on my monitor. So, games running at 4K 60 on consoles, would run just fine at WQHD 90 on my PC. I'd still get higher framerates, better load times, less input lag, and the ability to use mouse and keyboard.

I've been playing fighters on controller for too long. It's literally the only type of game I'll use a controller for... and driving games.

But, unless you have something less than a 1080 ti, you don't need to upgrade right away. I've had nvme in my PC since I built it, and that's faster than the SSDs that I also have in my PC. And people want to talk about how great SSDs are going to be for the next generation... Ok, good. I've been prepped for that, for years now, thanks for catching up.



Pemalite said:
goopy20 said:

I was talking about hdd support and if these next gen consoles will come with both a ssd and hdd like we see on most pc's. It's pretty obvious that they will not as all games will be designed around the fact that it will run from a ssd. Storage will probably be an issue and therefore they've already talked about how you will be able to install and delete certain parts of games. For example, if you've finished a game and only want to keep playing the multiplayer part, you'll be able to delete the single player campaign to save up space. 

Like I said, it's something we haven't quite seen before on pc, except for maybe Star Citizen where they strongly recommend a ssd. But even that game is still designed to run from hdd as well.  

The point I am making is that it's all rumor and speculation until Microsoft and Sony reveal all the details of their hardware.

Uninstalling parts of a game will only get you so far, at the end of the day, next gen games are either going to stay about the same size as current games or get larger, even when you take into account partial installs. (Which the Xbox has been capable of for years anyway even if game support is lacking.)

I have 18 Terabytes of storage on my Xbox One X @ 50% full, couldn't imagine trying to survive with only a pitiful 1-2 Terabytes for next gen.

The other issue with NAND is that it's not good for cold storage, it will bit flip... Which becomes a more pronounced issue on higher density, TLC/QLC NAND and these devices are expected to last a console generation, could get interesting.

Storage was a bit of an issue this gen as well. I got the ps4 pro with 1TB and I constantly find myself deleting games. Next gen will be the same, especially with the launch models that usually come with smaller storage. But in the end it's something people should be used to by now and will have very little issue with, especially if it allows you to play games with hardly any loading screens.

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goopy20 said:

Storage was a bit of an issue this gen as well. I got the ps4 pro with 1TB and I constantly find myself deleting games.

Why didn't you just connect an external HDD? It is super easy (just plug in the USB cable) and the external drive ain't slower than the internal... usually it is even a bit faster.



Conina said:
goopy20 said:

Storage was a bit of an issue this gen as well. I got the ps4 pro with 1TB and I constantly find myself deleting games.

Why didn't you just connect an external HDD? It is super easy (just plug in the USB cable) and the external drive ain't slower than the internal... usually it is even a bit faster.

Well the launch Xbox One/Playstation 4 spinning rust drives did about 40MB/s sustained transfer rates thanks to the 2.5" single platter 5400rpm drives, they were cheap, slow, trash.
Today it's not unusual for drives to be 120-140MB/s for 3.5" 7200rpm drives, so it's no wonder there are gains to be had with external storage.



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