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Kai_Mao said:

If they are not talented, then I should’ve seen a Pokemon score in the 50s-60s on Metacritic, GameRankings, or Opencritic by now. Unless you’re telling me that reviewers have been dishonest all this time.

Personally, regardless if they’re considered a top tier talent developer or not, I have been enjoying all the generations so far.

I think it just doesn’t help when you have multiple medi a projects that rely on the games to release on time. That’s the price of being an empire of this magnitude. The upcoming anime season is coming soon and the new TCG series has to be released alongside the games.

The formula is very hard to screw up. Make a decent story, keep de combat interesting, make new pokemon, and add a few bells and whistles, and you'll have a decent experience. The problem here is the difference between decent and great. All pokemon games are good, but they don't bother to go beyond that, even when they have all of the resources in the world to do so. So many features are made and abandoned just as fast (contests, battle frontier, megaevolutions, Z moves, character customization, berry farming, pokemon amie, poketraining...). I can't believe they are incapable of making a game with bigger goals than Sword/Shield, when many other previous games had so much content on smaller systems...



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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Darwinianevolution said:
Kai_Mao said:

If they are not talented, then I should’ve seen a Pokemon score in the 50s-60s on Metacritic, GameRankings, or Opencritic by now. Unless you’re telling me that reviewers have been dishonest all this time.

Personally, regardless if they’re considered a top tier talent developer or not, I have been enjoying all the generations so far.

I think it just doesn’t help when you have multiple medi a projects that rely on the games to release on time. That’s the price of being an empire of this magnitude. The upcoming anime season is coming soon and the new TCG series has to be released alongside the games.

The formula is very hard to screw up. Make a decent story, keep de combat interesting, make new pokemon, and add a few bells and whistles, and you'll have a decent experience. The problem here is the difference between decent and great. All pokemon games are good, but they don't bother to go beyond that, even when they have all of the resources in the world to do so. So many features are made and abandoned just as fast (contests, battle frontier, megaevolutions, Z moves, character customization, berry farming, pokemon amie, poketraining...). I can't believe they are incapable of making a game with bigger goals than Sword/Shield, when many other previous games had so much content on smaller systems...

They added new features as well and they are incorporating the Wild area, in which it’ll be a huge area to explore and discover new Pokemon (visible and random alike). So while they have left some features behind, they added some new ones and enhanced some old ones (an enhanced character customization for example as shown in the direct).



It would be nice if Pokemon performed below expectations just once. Maybe that is the alarm they need.



Come on, be fair. Everyone needs a little time to master the HD Era.



The problem goes far beyond just Game Freak, it's all parties, (The Pokemon Company, Creatures Inc., Nintendo). But The Pokemon Company in particular. The Pokemon brand has become such a giant, interconnected machine that when one cog breaks down, it impacts the entire thing, this is ESPECIALLY true for the games. While the mainline games themselves are far from the biggest money making aspect of Pokemon, it is without question the most important aspect. Every time a new set of games launch, it's not just the games themselves, it's every other aspect of the brand that goes along with them: Merchandise, the trading card game, the anime, movies, the spin off games, official fan events or marketing events, etc. The term "New Generation of Pokemon" isn't just a fancy marketing slang, it's legitimate. They are so tied together and interconnected and co-reliant that one setback, especially if that setback is with the mainline games, will have a domino effect on everything else.

For example, if Sword/Shield got delayed, everything else that is tied and connected to Sword/Shield also gets delayed, the anime, the movies they have planned to release, and most importantly, the new merchandise they have lined up in conjunction with the games. It's far more costly and financially impactful, in the negative way, if Pokemon got delayed than it would be for any of Nintendo's other major franchises like Mario, Zelda, or Animal Crossing to get delayed, which is why Nintendo has been and is far more willing to push those back because the amount of money they make off those games is much more reliant on their actual quality than with Pokemon.

So, delaying the game is not an option. That leaves Game Freak with no other choice but to rush the game as quickly as they can and not do as great of job as they could if they were able to take their time with the games, because the Pokemon Company doesn't want to deal with the after-effects and negative financial repercussions of delaying the entire machine. But what the Pokemon Company and Game Freak both fail to understand, is that with newer, better hardware, ESPECIALLY now that you're developing for an HD video game system that can hold its own against the PS4 and Xbox One with enough effort, requires much more staff, tools, and resources than it did developing for handheld systems that were constantly equivalent to consoles that were released 2 generations prior, (The DS was essentially a portable PS1/N64, while the 3DS was a portable PS2/GCN). So instead of providing the resources and hiring the staff necessary to do so (and it's not like they can't afford it; Pokemon is the #1 most financially successful multimedia franchise in the world, they most CERTAINLY can), they want to cut corners and save money by banking on the fact that fans will just buy the games, no questions asked, and the train will just keep on rolling like it always has been. I'm genuinely concerned that at the current rate and pace they're going, the developers at Game Freak will burn out and get sick of Pokemon, if they haven't already, and start going an autopilot with each new game they release on newer hardware, and before long we're going to get a set of mainline Pokemon games that will be, for lack of a better term, the "Sonic '06" of Pokemon, as I will call it. And if or when that happens, then they'll be in trouble.



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morenoingrato said:
It would be nice if Pokemon performed below expectations just once. Maybe that is the alarm they need.

After Let's Go, I feel it safe to say that will never happen.

PAOerfulone said:

The problem goes far beyond just Game Freak, it's all parties, (The Pokemon Company, Creatures Inc., Nintendo). But The Pokemon Company in particular. The Pokemon brand has become such a giant, interconnected machine that when one cog breaks down, it impacts the entire thing, this is ESPECIALLY true for the games. While the mainline games themselves are far from the biggest money making aspect of Pokemon, it is without question the most important aspect. Every time a new set of games launch, it's not just the games themselves, it's every other aspect of the brand that goes along with them: Merchandise, the trading card game, the anime, movies, the spin off games, official fan events or marketing events, etc. The term "New Generation of Pokemon" isn't just a fancy marketing slang, it's legitimate. They are so tied together and interconnected and co-reliant that one setback, especially if that setback is with the mainline games, will have a domino effect on everything else.

For example, if Sword/Shield got delayed, everything else that is tied and connected to Sword/Shield also gets delayed, the anime, the movies they have planned to release, and most importantly, the new merchandise they have lined up in conjunction with the games. It's far more costly and financially impactful, in the negative way, if Pokemon got delayed than it would be for any of Nintendo's other major franchises like Mario, Zelda, or Animal Crossing to get delayed, which is why Nintendo has been and is far more willing to push those back because the amount of money they make off those games is much more reliant on their actual quality than with Pokemon.

So, delaying the game is not an option. That leaves Game Freak with no other choice but to rush the game as quickly as they can and not do as great of job as they could if they were able to take their time with the games, because the Pokemon Company doesn't want to deal with the after-effects and negative financial repercussions of delaying the entire machine. But what the Pokemon Company and Game Freak both fail to understand, is that with newer, better hardware, ESPECIALLY now that you're developing for an HD video game system that can hold its own against the PS4 and Xbox One with enough effort, requires much more staff, tools, and resources than it did developing for handheld systems that were constantly equivalent to consoles that were released 2 generations prior, (The DS was essentially a portable PS1/N64, while the 3DS was a portable PS2/GCN). So instead of providing the resources and hiring the staff necessary to do so (and it's not like they can't afford it; Pokemon is the #1 most financially successful multimedia franchise in the world, they most CERTAINLY can), they want to cut corners and save money by banking on the fact that fans will just buy the games, no questions asked, and the train will just keep on rolling like it always has been. I'm genuinely concerned that at the current rate and pace they're going, the developers at Game Freak will burn out and get sick of Pokemon, if they haven't already, and start going an autopilot with each new game they release on newer hardware, and before long we're going to get a set of mainline Pokemon games that will be, for lack of a better term, the "Sonic '06" of Pokemon, as I will call it. And if or when that happens, then they'll be in trouble.

This all makes sense, but in the end Nintendo/Pokemon company could delay everything else as well, they could hire more people, so it's their own fault. Yeah it would cost them money but we know they can afford it and would still make profit in the end, yet they'd rather be lazy n greedy than maintain artistic integrity and make good games.



TheMisterManGuy said:
Sarkar said:

Even Pokémon itself is an indie scale title as far as production values go.

Not really. Let's Go! had a development team of over 100 people and a 2 year development cycle, Sword and Shield had a 4 year development cycle, with possibly more staff. The games don't really reflect this, because Game Freak has routinely proven they can't make a AAA game in 2019 if their lives depended on it. That's why the Pokemon games have such bloated team sizes and dev times for the games they are. Nothing unusual with 100+ team sizes in modern AAA games, but the presentation should reflect that. Game Freak, at least the Pokemon team, is just bad at large scale game development.

100 developers is nowhere near AAA size dev teams. AAA in 2019 would be what A lot of money, A lot of Time, and A lot of resources would look like in 2019. To give a bit of comparison: GTA5 had 1000 devs, 285 million, and 5+ years of development.

But AAA games typically aren't just one release, Assassin's Creed and COD often have parallel teams branching off the main project and developing multiple iterations which are updates + new content. This is most of EA's major games as well, particularly their sports titles. Even though they have multiple releases, they're part of the same overall project.

100 devs and 2 years is NOT an AAA scale game, not even close. And OF COURSE Game Freak isn't capable of making AAA games, they are not an AAA studio, nor were they ever intended to be.



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morenoingrato said:
It would be nice if Pokemon performed below expectations just once. Maybe that is the alarm they need.

What you want is not always what is the correct path for their company. Your analysis is based on personal bias, theirs is based on research and analysis.



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Jumpin said:
morenoingrato said:
It would be nice if Pokemon performed below expectations just once. Maybe that is the alarm they need.

What you want is not always what is the correct path for their company. Your analysis is based on personal bias, theirs is based on research and analysis.

Research: We can reduce the budget and put the least effort possible, because people will buy our game anyway.



morenoingrato said:
Jumpin said:

What you want is not always what is the correct path for their company. Your analysis is based on personal bias, theirs is based on research and analysis.

Research: We can reduce the budget and put the least effort possible, because people will buy our game anyway.

When you're done criticizing a strawman, get back to us in the real world.



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