Fair enough. If you like RTS games, PC is definitely the platform to go. I also used to love WOW but I don't think we'll see Blizzard focusing on pc anymore. In any case, I'm not here to upset anyone. PC gaming is great but it's a bit disillusion to think the next gen console games aren't going to raise the bar compared to what we're seeing right now.

Sure mods do give an indication, but it's still just an extra layer of paint on a game that was designed from the ground up to run on current gen consoles and lower spec pc's as well. 

Next gen games on the other hand will be designed from the ground up to take full advantage of a 2080GTX.

We just have to wait and see what that will look like but I'm guessing bigger, more denser worlds, some form of ray tracing and just more overall visual fidelity. That doesn't mean the ps5 will be better than the latest gaming rigs. All I'm saying is that graphics are going to take a leap when next gen consoles come out and for the pc gamers who didn't buy a 2080RTX or better, it will be time to upgrade. 

Do you need me to list PC developers that focuses on FPS, TBS, RPG, MOBA?

As for Blizzard, there is no guarantee they will release their title on console, but there is a guarantee they will release it on PC.
I.E. Don't expect the next WarCraft or StarCraft to come to a console near you.

Also no one is saying that consoles aren't going to take a leap?

That kinda happens with all game engines though... Fallout 76 uses the creative engine optimized for 8th gen, which in turn is an engine based on the Gamebryo engine that was heavily optimized for 7th gen which in turn was built on the foundations of Net Immerse which was optimized for the OG Xbox and PC.

In short it's just a "layer of new paint" so to speak.

No they won't. The consoles won't have a 2080GTX. (Nor does such a GPU exist anyway.)

You don't understand PC gaming if you think people will be forced to upgrade to a Geforce RTX 2080 as soon as the Playstation 5 lands next year.
People didn't need a Radeon 7850 as soon as the Playstation 4 released... Or a Radeon 7750 when the Xbox One came out.

wtf, how'd you managed to snag such an insane deal like that? 

Got lucky man.. was browsing through OfferUp and saw a guy had listed it up for $175.  Thought it might be a fake post, but purchased it through the app, a complete unit.. 2 controllers, 2 lighthouses, head unit, deluxe audio strap.. still got that unpeeled plastic around most of the components.  Ups tracking shows I'll have in hand by Thursday.  If it checks out, it'll be a keeper.

175$? The HMD costs 300$ alone. Hope they don't send you bricks.

From what we know so far, the next gen consoles will have an modified Navi GPU that will sit somewhere between a 2070 and 2080RTX.

Personally I have a 1060GTX which runs almost anything at ultra settings in 1080 or 1440p right now. But I'm pretty sure I'll need to upgrade when the next gen consoles come out.

You say people didn't need a 7850 as soon as the ps4 came out, but just look at the minimum pc requirements of early ps4 games that weren't cross platform anymore such as AC Unity. It requires a Radeon HD 7970. Hell, Far Cry 5 requires a i7-4770 and GTX 970 to run in 1080p. 

And just because game engines are usually designed to scale with more powerful hardware, doesn't mean mods will turn current games into next gen titles.

That's a bit different from amateur programmers adding texture packs to a game or ultra settings that cripple the frame rate with just a slight increase in visuals. It's nice but what do you think will look better, a ps3 game like TLOU remastered in 4k for the ps4 or TLOU 2 in 1080p but designed from the ground up for the ps4? We will see tomorrow but I'm guessing it will be a big leap. 

We have no idea because the hardware isn't out. - It could be more, it could be less capable than those parts you listed.

Next year when the consoles drop, the Geforce 2070 and 2080 will be old news and replaced by the 3070 and 3080 anyway, that we know for certain.

Fantastic. Not sure how it has anything to do with next-gen PC GPU's or Console hardware though...

I don't know who these people are, but it doesn't matter. It's what I say.

Also, no one cares what developers state as their requirements, they are a guideline, not real-world requirements and thus not something factual to take note of.

Here is Assassins Creed Unity running on an AMD FX+ Radeon 7850 just fine. - Again, no Radeon 7970 necessary.

Here is FarCry 5 on a Radeon 7850 and Ivy Bridge i5, again no GTX 970 required or Haswell i7 Quad-Core required.

Even found someone running the game on a 10+ year old Core 2 Quad with 30+ fps.

Morrowind on the OG Xbox isn't any less expansive than Fallout 4 on the Xbox One despite being several hardware generations newer though.

We have reached points in history however where newer hardware has enabled new gameplay ideas, for instance we reached a point in the 6th gen that allowed for rudimentary physics calculations which could be leveraged into gameplay such as in Half Life 2.

Or when this generation consoles launched the new CPU performance headroom enabled for larger player counts which enabled Battle Royal to become a thing.

But overall, game design doesn't dramatically shift in design philosophy just because we get new hardware, publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Activision would rather put out a game successively every year that relies on tried and tested gameplay mechanics that consumers throw their money at... There is less financial risk for them as well in taking that approach.

Minecraft RTX looks far from amateur.


Anyway, I have provided plenty of evidence for my arguments thus far. Have at it.

We have no idea because the hardware isn't out. - It could be more, it could be less capable than those parts you listed.

Next year when the consoles drop, the Geforce 2070 and 2080 will be old news and replaced by the 3070 and 3080 anyway, that we know for certain.

Fantastic. Not sure how it has anything to do with next-gen PC GPU's or Console hardware though...

I don't know who these people are, but it doesn't matter. It's what I say.

Also, no one cares what developers state as their requirements, they are a guideline, not real-world requirements and thus not something factual to take note of.

Here is Assassins Creed Unity running on an AMD FX+ Radeon 7850 just fine. - Again, no Radeon 7970 necessary.

Here is FarCry 5 on a Radeon 7850 and Ivy Bridge i5, again no GTX 970 required or Haswell i7 Quad-Core required.

Even found someone running the game on a 10+ year old Core 2 Quad with 30+ fps.

Morrowind on the OG Xbox isn't any less expansive than Fallout 4 on the Xbox One despite being several hardware generations newer though.

We have reached points in history however where newer hardware has enabled new gameplay ideas, for instance we reached a point in the 6th gen that allowed for rudimentary physics calculations which could be leveraged into gameplay such as in Half Life 2.

Or when this generation consoles launched the new CPU performance headroom enabled for larger player counts which enabled Battle Royal to become a thing.

But overall, game design doesn't dramatically shift in design philosophy just because we get new hardware, publishers like EA, Ubisoft and Activision would rather put out a game successively every year that relies on tried and tested gameplay mechanics that consumers throw their money at... There is less financial risk for them as well in taking that approach.

Minecraft RTX looks far from amateur.


Anyway, I have provided plenty of evidence for my arguments thus far. Have at it.