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Chrkeller said:
deskpro2k3 said:

To be honest, this fear doom and gloom thing I'm seeing here is silly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you do not know of all the cut content they made while making the original. Ex. Detective Joe, the explanation of Summoning Mataria etc.

Now any thinking man, or woman knows there is 8 Midgar sectors, of which we've only seen a fraction of sector 1 (the opening bombing mission), and the sector 5 slum and Wall Market. Now I don't know about you but I as sure as hell want to check out the other plates and slums, and have more character development for Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge. At least I know pretty much everyone that worked on the original game is working on the Remake.

I think general curiosity and mild concern is being mistaken for "doom and gloom."  And frankly that is the heart of the issue, anybody who isn't 100% stoked and sold on the Remake is being billed negatively.  When there is nothing wrong with having questions about what changes are being made.  

And we just disagree here.  I was fine with the amount of Midgar there was in the original.  Exploring all 8 sections just isn't appealing.  Strikes me as making the game longer for the sake of having an overly large game.

If you're curious wouldn't you welcome a complete Midgar? As for your "mild concern" about Midgar being too big with a lot of content from just a few screenshots. It completely defeats the whole purpose of the Remake. I mean it's like you're not forced to explore every inch of Midgar. It sounds like you never played a Final Fantasy game before.

edit: In the single player Final Fantasy games the side quest were never mandatory, especially in the original FF7, but don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from. I play FFXIV, and for example they really did have some bullshit filler fetch quest in the beginning. (Good thing they're cutting it out in a future update)

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Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:

To be honest, this fear doom and gloom thing I'm seeing here is silly, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you do not know of all the cut content they made while making the original. Ex. Detective Joe, the explanation of Summoning Mataria etc.

Detective Joe hardly qualifies as “cut content”. It was only part of Sakaguchi’s early draft, and it changed organically over the course of the writing. It was never cut from the actual game.



Lol, I've played VII at least half a dozen times. I was probably playing and beating III (VI) before you were born. I also played II (IV) IX, X and XII multiple times. Enjoying a game doesn't mean I want to explore every tiny corner.  

Best remake to date is RE2.  Followed by Wind Waker HD.

Adding meaningful content is logical.  Adding content for the sake of content isn't.  Having questions and curiosity is logical.  Defending and insisting a game none of us has really played isn't.    

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Chrkeller said:

Lol, I've played VII at least half a dozen times. I was probably playing and beating III (VI) before you were born. I also played II (IV) IX, X and XII multiple times. Enjoying a game doesn't mean I want to explore every tiny corner.  

Best remake to date is RE2.  Followed by Wind Waker HD.

I edit my post a little too slow, check it out. Also this isn't a contest, I'm just saying what it looks like to me.



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COKTOE said:
They're gonna shock the world and kill Tifa instead of Aerith. Looks pretty!

SpOiLeRz! 😯 

But for real, looks great so far. I am so excited! 



Chrkeller said:

Adding meaningful content is logical.  Adding content for the sake of content isn't.  Having questions and curiosity is logical.  Defending and insisting a game none of us has really played isn't.    

First two sentences is true, but how do you know if FF7R content is logical or not? I was willing to let your doom and gloomly concerns go, but you've taken this way to far by contradicting yourself. I don't see any hint of curiosity in your post, except for one question you asked about how Midgar can be +40 hours without "filler crap"

Chrkeller said:
Agreed absolutely 100%. Modern games have far too much filler crap.

You have not played the game yet but you already in a subtle way claim FF7R have too much filler crap based on a few screenshots and because it's a modern game.

Chrkeller said:
Not a fan of the art style. I also worry there is going to be too much tedious walking around. I'm still not sure how Midgar is 40 hours.

Immersiveunreality already answered you. And your reply was still you're worried about fillar material, I guess because it's a modern game?

Chrkeller said:
I understand the story will be expanded, but 5 hours to 40 hours... that is more than an expansion. I just worry that a lot of that 40 hours will be silly filler material. Again, I am in the camp that modern games are too long and tedious. Short(er) and focused is a personal preference.

So far from all this it seems like it does not matter how many explanations we can give you based on what is known. You've already made up your mind. What makes it worse is that even-though I'm trying to show you with reasons from the lore of FF7, you've brushed it off as if we was blindly defending the game. That is not the way a person who is curious and is willing to debate would act.



deskpro2k3 said:

I think this discussion is going on far too long. We're going in a direction where both sides are going to have to put in more effort and evidence to justify their viewpoints, which are becoming more specific as the conversation goes on, even though we have very little to go on to begin with. That kind of push for "evidence" isn't sustainable because we don't have much at all.

All we know is that Final Fantasy 7 Remake is huge, with just Midgar alone accompanying one part. A lot of that size could be graphics, dialogue, etc., but considering it's on two discs it seems very likely that the content has been stretched out significantly. 

Frankly, it's unfair to lambaste someone (99% sure your unedited comments were a lot more negative) and act as if they must not know a lot about Final Fantasy for dumb reasons like "Well, the old games had skippable sidequests" or "there was a lot of cut content from the game" - because you really have to stretch that reasoning out in order to attempt to make a point out of them. Most sidequests in games are skippable ... that's what makes them sidequests. However, it's silly to act like games don't balance themselves around sidequests, or that the price tag isn't fit specifically for people who want that kind of value off the title (you are going to have to buy 2-3 games just to rush through the story). As for the cut content, who cares? Cut content in games is often cut because it isn't that good. And considering they're adding lore from the extended universe of Final Fantasy 7 - easily the biggest stain on the game's legacy, there is no guarantee this extension will work.  Especially when you backpedal and act understanding when your tone and attitude was very clearly dismissive and harsh. 

Don't accuse people of already making up their mind when 7 hours before your post they literally say "For clarity I am not saying the game will be bad nor have problems. I just have mild concerns, but absolutely agree I won't know until I play it.  Point being concerns and complaints are not equivalent."

This wouldn't have gone on for this long if you didn't post a really juvenile mischaracterization of people who might be concerned about the game's length. 



SMT fans are the worst 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

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I think you're adding on to a none issue about a "mild concern" don't you think. Well thanks for adding your 2 cents. First and foremost you're repeating what I said about how we don't know much about what they're adding to the Remake, all we do know is that the lore is huge, and that there is 8 sectors that we can possibly explore instead of 1, and on top of that the cut content from the original can make their way in the Remake. Mind you we don't know why they were cut from the original. Memory issue, or something else, we don't know. However it's a valid reason that holds more weight than it just being a huge modern game. 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Don't accuse people of already making up their mind when 7 hours before your post they literally say "For clarity I am not saying the game will be bad nor have problems. I just have mild concerns, but absolutely agree I won't know until I play it.  Point being concerns and complaints are not equivalent."

4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through.

Chrkeller said:

I was fine with the amount of Midgar there was in the original.  Exploring all 8 sections just isn't appealing.  Strikes me as making the game longer for the sake of having an overly large game.



deskpro2k3 said:

I think you're adding on to a none issue about a "mild concern" don't you think. Well thanks for adding your 2 cents. First and foremost you're repeating what I said about how we don't know much about what they're adding to the Remake, all we do know is that the lore is huge, and that there is 8 sectors that we can possibly explore instead of 1, and on top of that the cut content from the original can make their way in the Remake. Mind you we don't know why they were cut from the original. Memory issue, or something else, we don't know. However it's a valid reason that holds more weight than it just being a huge modern game. 

4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through.

Chrkeller said:

I was fine with the amount of Midgar there was in the original.  Exploring all 8 sections just isn't appealing.  Strikes me as making the game longer for the sake of having an overly large game.

Yes in my comment that was meant to summarize and end an entire conversation, I ended up restating some things you already said. Who would have thought. 

"4 hours later he said (quote below). Clearly the dude have made up his mind. Clearly you have not thought this through."

No. He clarified more because the conversation kept going, and going, and going, and he felt the need to defend his point of view by expanding on what possible issues could be in the Remake. That doesn't mean he made up his mind, that just means that the conversation is getting out of hand and requiring more evidence and specifics, which can't possibly be provided because we don't know anything! 

That's literally what I opened my reply to you with! 

It would be better if everyone, including me, just moved on. 



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