Torillian said:
o_O.Q said:
"Last statement is a reasonable argument to make, I only commented because you were stating trends with no evidence where all polling data goes against your assertion."
ah ok but smearing someone as far right because they dislike islam which has occurred throughout this thread(by people who for the most part ironically probably dislike islam) isn't as much of an issue
"Now if you're anti islam"
the vast majority of people on this site are anti islam i'd wager doesn't make this site right wing
"write mostly for rightwing new paper outlets"
links? and even if that is the case its kind of a useless point if the furthest right thing you can muster up from his articles is that he dislikes islam
"spend your time defending far right activist groups"
well this is a new one, can I get a link?
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"ah ok but smearing someone as far right because they dislike islam which has occurred throughout this thread(by people who for the most part ironically probably dislike islam) isn't as much of an issue"
If you can show me polling that indicates that those statements are wrong then I'll comment. The interpretation of whether or not an individual is right wing based on their dislike of islam is an inductive claim that I cannot fully disprove. Your statement, on the other hand, was a deductive statement about trends on a group level, something that can be answered by polling to show you're wrong.
"the vast majority of people on this site are anti islam i'd wager doesn't make this site right wing"
Already agreed that one can be anti islam and left wing, I'm making a holistic argument which is the only way one can inductively reason about a person's intentions.
"links? and even if that is the case its kind of a useless point if the furthest right thing you can muster up from his articles is that he dislikes islam"
Wiki says he's written for "The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and National Review," and the analysis I've found indicates all three of those are right wing news outlets.
"well this is a new one, can I get a link?"
He was filming a counter protest of the proud boys and has done similar things for the group Patriot Prayer. You don't think that's something done in defense of a far right activist group? He goes to conflicts between the left and right and films the left doing shitty things. That's defense of the right.
What would this person need to do to prove to you they are on the right? If he just says he's on the left but all his actions go against that do you just take his word for it? I think that one can make a pretty convincing argument that he is on the right, what evidence do you have that he's actually on the left?
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" The interpretation of whether or not an individual is right wing based on their dislike of islam is an inductive claim that I cannot fully disprove. "
do you know anyone on the left that dislikes islam? if so is it not stupid or dishonest to claim that dislike of islam automatically makes someone far right?
"Wiki says he's written for "The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and National Review," and the analysis I've found indicates all three of those are right wing news outlets. "
and to reiterate the most far "right" thing he has written is dislike of islam which you have concluded is not a right wing characteristic... or is this just guilt by association?
"He was filming a counter protest of the proud boys and has done similar things for the group Patriot Prayer."
oh shit well I guess CNN and MSNBC must be nazis because they've filmed nazis in the past right?
"He goes to conflicts between the left and right and films the left doing shitty things. That's defense of the right. "
you mean to tell me that a reporter films things? i'm so shocked right now
maybe leftists happen to be more violent at protests has that ever occurred to you?
CNN and MSNBC have never shown footage of any of the bullshit far leftists do, is this a concession then that CNN and MSNBC are far left?
"What would this person need to do to prove to you they are on the right?"
Actually advocate for far right policies as i would assume any sensible person would use that as an assessment not someone doing their job as a reporter
"I think that one can make a pretty convincing argument that he is on the right"
can you name for me his right leaning policies?
"what evidence do you have that he's actually on the left?"
i don't know the man personally which is why i'm not making assertions about his politics as you feel comfortable doing in this ridiculous attempt to somehow divert away from criticism of antifa