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Is biological sex a social construct?

Yes 2 5.26%
 
No 36 94.74%
 
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o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:
I for the most part agree that gender and gender roles are a social construct but sex, nah. Sex is biological, it's concrete science. Gender on the other hand are a set of societal and cultural pressures exerted on people based upon their biological sex.

well how to you explain the variance in sexual characteristics?

and are you ready to marginalise all the people who do not fit comfortably into "male" and "female"?

I don't know how one does "not fit comfortably into male or female". You either have a penis, or a vagina, and that is literally just that. It's what determines your sex. if you do not believe that, then you need some psychological help. Now, how you want to use those said tools, is entirely up to you, and completely okay (Unless harmful to others).

Like who cares if you're a very feminine soyboy, or a dude with actual tits, if you got a penis, you're a dude, nothing else. It's not complicated. If you are a dude, who thinks of yourself as a chick, and force other people to succumb to your own irrational views, you're a psychopath.



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Gender roles are a social construct same as race. They're many different genders but only three biological sexes, male female and intersex. So no, biological sex itself (and gender to a lesser extent) isn't a social construct but the roles and expectations we place on each definitely are and they need to be addressed because it creates a toxic environment. To a point where men are seen as strong and unemotional and women are seen as weak and fickle. This creates a society to which men can't be weak/emotional and if they are they're seen as lesser than and women can't be in places of power because they're too fickle to run anything and if they are they're seen as bitchy or undeserving. It's horrible, it doesn't allow humans to just be humans. People shouldn't be held down by the circumstances of their birth.



 

Jobs/careers and even rights are a social construct.

Think about all the homeless who don't have jobs because they are seen as 'different' and/or 'unworthy' of the same type of acceptance everyone else enjoys.

Think about all the criminals who are locked away because they are seen as 'different' and/or 'unworthy' of the same type of freedom everyone else enjoys.

How do we really know that these people aren't born this way? If they are, how can we treat them like this? Why do we try and force them to fit in and play by the 'rules' or suffer the consequences?

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Badly written and almost hits the point. But yet another piece that focuses on differences rather than the similar things. biological sexes aren't a social construct but the genders people attach to them sure are. They were useful 10000 years ago and have since outlived their usefulness. Gender and sexuality shouldn't be categorized in the first place. We should enter this world as just humans with different physiological features and preferences. There aren't men who are women or vice versa and there certainly is no such thing as "gender fluid". There are just people who decided to live in certain ways and may or may not have chosen to alter their bodies. The flimsy definitions of what constitutes masculine and feminine are ridiculous and anyone who adheres to them to a point where they define their personality on them is pitiful.



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Penis = male
Vagina = female
both = both



These idiots need to be publicly ridiculed for the fools that they are. Humans are sexually dimorphic, that is scientific fact. Let's name some differences off the top of my head, men have broader shoulders, thicker necks, ridges on their foreheads, deeper voices, hairier bodies, thicker sturdier bones, thicker skin, rougher skin, proportionally smaller eyes, proportionally larger hands and feet, proportionally larger brains, proportionally larger heart and lungs, proportionally longer torso, proportionally shorter legs, more muscle mass, lower amount of body fat, ten times as much testosterone, brains are wired differently, men have superior hand eye coordination, spacial awareness and a higher aptitude for abstract thought, men go through puberty 2 years later, men have the dominance instinct and women have the hypergamous instinct. Yeah so of course that is a social construct and not reality. As soon as they said women are oppressed they revealed themselves to be an activists since women have more rights and privileges than men and receive the vast majority of government spending benefits even though men pay 72% of the taxes.



Sex is a biological fact. It is not socially constructed. "Gender" is also only partially a social construct as there are behaviours and characteristics that are overwhelmingly shown by only males or females. These behaviours and characteristics are based on biological sex. For example, some women are tall but most women are short compared to men and this is not caused by society but by genes and sexual reproduction. Same goes for things like less muscle mass in women or men balding with age. Women are on average more shy and more submissive than men because being aggressive and trying to get into fights with other people is not a good survival strategy for a short, pregnant woman. Some of these women can still reproduce of course, because they can counterbalance their "shortcomings" with other things - just like every person has shortcomings and is not the perfect mate for the opposite sex. These are not social constructs but biological facts and they are the main cause for "gender stereotypes". Gender stereotypes are based on reality, they are just sometimes cranked up to eleven and of course don't include the minority of people who do not express the stereotypical behaviour - and if we discriminate these people, that (of course) is bad.

There are hardly ever absolute categories in biology but that doesn't mean we can't put labels on things or sort things into categories. Humans are a species with two legs and two arms. That's how it is. There may be an incredibly small number of people with only one arme or three legs but they are very rare deviations from the norm.

Also, I hate it when people bring up the "gender spectrum". Gender is not a spectrum! 49.9% male, 49.9% female and 0.2% intersex is not a spectrum! These are two distinct categories, with expected biological hiccups in-between. Because biology isn't perfect.

Lastly, biological sex does not change if your shoulders are too broad / narrow or you are short or tall! A tall woman is 100% a woman, no spectrum here at all. A muscular woman is still 100% a woman. A short man is still a man, 100%. A man with a small penis is still 100% a man. A woman who is infertile is still 100% a woman. A submissive man is still a man - yeah, 100%. Who keeps making this up? People may say a muscular woman is an unattractive woman. Or that a short man with a small penis is unattractive. But that doesn't mean someone is not a man or a woman, just that they are not sexually attractive! And sexual selection only works because gender is binary. Our very existence is based on the fact that gender is binary because we all have been sexually selected for! Also, what men find attractive in women and vice versa is not socially constructed. It is based on the biological reality that weak men can't provide for a pregnant female and a woman with small hips cannot give birth to a baby (to give just two examples). Sexual dimorphism is real and it is not socially constructed. 



fatslob-:O said:

All human males come with penises and the 'rest' are just "conditions or states" ... 

Even if some of the women buck the social norms, it does not change their one key physiology and all of them come with vaginas regardless ... 

How one would 'deal' with people like these are personally up to themselves ... 

False. There are "human males" which come with both sets of reproductive organs and chromosomes that do not match the standard gender norm.

Granted such individuals are the exception rather than the norm.

melbye said:

That woman has not achieved that look by natural means, she is a deviation of what is normal.

When it comes to ones mass, biologically everyone has a certain potential... Her potential is what you might see in that image whilst another person will have a very different potential, thus not everyone can achieve such bulk.

o_O.Q said:

what about intersex people? what about people with XXY or XYY chromosomes? what about non binary people? etc etc etc

Those who are trans did start life out as male or female though from a biological perspective, they decided later in life to undergo a transition to deviate from that.

John2290 said:

They can live a lie all they want, even spread the lie. I don't care, what I do care about is trying to worm this shit into science through social means, the shaming of scientists and running them out of a job unless they conform to this thinking, even if they still practice empirically under the table is straight from the dark ages or something out of Orwell like literature and on the matter of written text, they'll come for the litriture next and the medical texts once they realize it contradicts thier beliefs before they eventually get full control of digital media, it's just a matter of time, the books will be destroyed or at least they'll try and make a case for it. This needs to be nibbed in the bud and I wouldn't be surprised if there is no chance and it is some high level social engineering or interstate subversion and bot, mind fuckery at play. 

So no, I don't think biological sex is a social construct, just writing that in a sentence is plain contradictory.

Citation needed.

EricHiggin said:
Is math and science a social construct, because we made them up. They didn't exist before we created them. Are the answers they give us really the truth or does it simply explain what we see and not what's really happening underneath?

Math and science are the tools we use to explain concepts in the natural world, they are certainly a human invention, they are certainly as accurate as the evidence portrays them to be.

fatslob-:O said:

As far as I can see there are only potentially 3 valid biological sex states. You're either a male, female, or both but by no means does it serve as a justification for transsexuals to defy this classification system on an ideological basis since there are very real biological consequences that comes with it ... 

Or "none of the above".

TheBird said:

I don't know how one does "not fit comfortably into male or female". You either have a penis, or a vagina, and that is literally just that. It's what determines your sex. if you do not believe that, then you need some psychological help. Now, how you want to use those said tools, is entirely up to you, and completely okay (Unless harmful to others).

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the thread... And thus people do not need "psychological help" for their convictions, something you need to keep in mind as you attempt to engage in civil debate.






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