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I only wanted to work for a Big 4 accounting firm and work my way up towards firm Partner. To not get the grades I needed to get into Big 4 was disheartening and I did not bother with applying for graduate positions because I believed my grades were too low. I needed 70%+ grade average, I only managed 60-something grade average and I skipped 10 easy units of my course due to advanced standing. I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life and I became stuck. I admit my disability and barriers prevent me from working and contributing towards society. For years I was in denial about having disability and barriers to employment and I did not seek the right help that was needed to help me make the best of my prime years.

I live in a country where you can not get a job without a car license. I was refused jobs from recruitment agencies because I ticked the box of no car license that basically says unemployable. I can not drive a car and failed the driving test multiple times. It was impossible. i could not handle the stress of the test or being on the road. Driving instructor did everything for me in lessons but in test I was expected to do it all on my own. I could not do it. I can not wait for driverless cars to come in and then i would not have to drive the car and the car drives itself. Public transport is very basic and does not go to those remote locations where unskilled jobs and a car license is needed.

I tried to get into the military a few times but was rejected on medical grounds and told not to bother applying again because I was deemed unsuitable for the military and would not be able to cope with the stressful life of the military. I was not good enough to even make the military was a bitter pill to swallow. I expected anyone with two arms and two legs and in decent fitness would get accepted into military without any questions. 

If I turned up to businesses, made phone calls and knocked on doors that may have lead to more job opportunities. Applying for jobs via email and online was an ineffective way and is seen as lazy. Most people present better in the real world than online and it requires more effort. Online is practically useless for job search and is a waste of time. A physical presence is better than an online presence.

There are no jobs for an older worker because employers do not employ them if they have been unemployed for a very long time. Age is a huge factor in in making employment impossible to obtain. I am around 40 and have been unemployed for a very long time, no skills and no experience so welfare is my only option. Some people will claim you are the fault and all that nonsense. They will overlook that their are multiple barriers to employment and not everyone can find employment as easy as they did. Age, health issues, no experience and no skills makes some people unemployable. 

Last edited by Dark_Lord_2008 - on 05 April 2019

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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

You applied for jobs using a cookie cutter cut and paste online and you got exactly what you expected.  You should be honest with yourself.  The effort you are putting forth for your situation isn't working.  To continue to do the same thing that doesn't work and expecting a different result will continue to result in failure.  Currently you are in a situation where you repeat the same pattern that you know by now doesn't work.

So for you to advance from your state, you must do things different.  First and foremost you have to change the way you think.  As I mentioned before, you will never succeed at anything if your outlook is to accept failure as if its a close relative.  The reason you believe getting a job is like gambling because that is the approach you are using.  There are a lot of good advice on this thread that goes outside of your comfort zone.  I suggest you try some of them.

So even you got tired of not judging =]

Hmmmm, you considered that judging.  I am not judging him, I am stating a fact concerning what he is doing.  In other words, I am not judging his mental state as that never helps, I am giving advice on the methods he is using that are not helping him move forward.  Either way, I believe I am done.  I believe Dark Lord will need to reflect on the information given to him within this thread for a while and make some choices.



Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

So even you got tired of not judging =]

Hmmmm, you considered that judging.  I am not judging him, I am stating a fact concerning what he is doing.  In other words, I am not judging his mental state as that never helps, I am giving advice on the methods he is using that are not helping him move forward.  Either way, I believe I am done.  I believe Dark Lord will need to reflect on the information given to him within this thread for a while and make some choices.

You said the same stuff people had said before and at that time you called it judging because no one knew his story or condition.



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I have shoveled shit. I have emptied barrels of trash at a carnival. I have crawled under houses that were infested by bugs, spiders, rodents, and carcasses. I have checked you out a movie for the weekend, sold you a CD, delivered your couch, repoed your TV, installed your electrical wiring, poured your foundation, rolled your trusses, and made your burrito. I have found you your oil filter, changed your wiper blades, welded you railings for your new patio, and I've even taken photos of you and your family to give to all your friends for Christmas. I have written front page news articles and back page community interest stories. I've even gone to your door to sell you a vacuum that neither you nor I could afford. I have played music for you and your friends in the bar, on the pier, and on the street.

i have done all those things because that is what you do to survive in this world. None of it was beneath me because nothing should be beneath anyone. If you are engaging in that sort of description you are devalueing human life and pretending that you are above someone else. There is no humility in that and without humility we are prideful and resentful.

I have a Bachelor's Degree in English, by the way, and many of those jobs I have had during and after receiving that degree. And many that you might feel would require a degree or some level of experience I did before I had either.

I have made myself useful and have given of myself to my employer or customer because that is the greatest skill any of us can posess: to be of use without disrespect.

This life is not easy. This life is not fair. This life requires more of us than we ever thought would be required. This world will eat you up, but you will be stronger for it because you did not give up. You will be formed into a being much more than you ever thought possible, and that measurement is not made by the quality of your clothes, the money in your wallet, or the people you feel might be below you. It will be measured by your dedication, your persistance, your determination, and your actions.

Being unemployed is a terrible, low feeling. Its only remedy is knowing that you will do whatever it takes to make yourself a better person and that whatever menial position you may find yourself in at the moment can be a stepping stone to a situation that you feel better defines what you want from this life. But you can not expect that which you have not earned and sacrificed for.



DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

Hmmmm, you considered that judging.  I am not judging him, I am stating a fact concerning what he is doing.  In other words, I am not judging his mental state as that never helps, I am giving advice on the methods he is using that are not helping him move forward.  Either way, I believe I am done.  I believe Dark Lord will need to reflect on the information given to him within this thread for a while and make some choices.

You said the same stuff people had said before and at that time you called it judging because no one knew his story or condition.

If you feel that way.  As stated, I commented on his methods not HIM but we can go circle around that point all day because I doubt you will take a closure look and see either way, probably not going to argue with you on the context ;)



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Cobretti2 said:

As for the IT reference you made, man even if you get the job just because it is an office paying job it is still shit to begin with. There is no job out of TAFE or UNI where you get paid well. 

I did my work experience in IT and tell you what the guys who were on 6 figures needed to be certified Microsoft engineers and cisco network engineers. You shoudl see the extra courses and exams you need to take to get those official qualifications lol.

The ones that did not try and did the basic IT stuff (like format PCs, build them and make images and install them on site), probably get paid around the 50-60k mark.

More or less made that statement, because not all geographic locations (Like mine) are going to have any kind of office/desk/white collar jobs available where Information Technology skills would be applicable... But there are plenty of blue-collar jobs available.

You train for what your locale is geard towards if you want the best possible chances of employment.




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For a few years I used to apply for quite a few jobs but I was forced to take a full time minimum wage job or get cut off welfare, it was take it or leave it. This experience put me off working and I quit that minimum wage full time job after 18 months to go on welfare and study at university and do a Commerce degree. Over the last 10 years since graduating from university, I have looked at thousands of job ads but I never really applied for that many jobs because well I did not meet the requirements and it was too easy being on welfare. Spamming emails is a waste of my time and does not lead to anything, because most emails are deleted without ever being read.

I do not regard that anyone should be defined by having a job or not. I have more time to focus on my hobbies and do what I want with my life instead of being stuck doing a dead end job that I would not enjoy. A job should provide work-life balance and should be something you enjoy doing and provides purpose and meaning to your life. There is too much negative stigma of not having a job. There is always going to be unemployed people within society. After a period of 12+ months unemployed you are regarded by employers/recruiters as unemployable, due to the lack of recent work experience/skills needed for most jobs. When you are long term unemployed it is a catch-22 scenario, you remain unemployed with no job and no experience because you need a job to gain experience.

Last edited by Dark_Lord_2008 - on 06 April 2019

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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

For a few years I used to apply for quite a few jobs but I was forced to take a full time minimum wage job or get cut off welfare, it was take it or leave it. This experience put me off working and I quit that minimum wage full time job after 18 months to go on welfare and study at university and do a Commerce degree. Over the last 10 years since graduating from university, I have looked at thousands of job ads but I never really applied for that many jobs because well I did not meet the requirements and it was too easy being on welfare. Spamming emails is a waste of my time and does not lead to anything, because most emails are deleted without ever being read.

I do not regard that anyone should be defined by having a job or not. I have more time to focus on my hobbies and do what I want with my life instead of being stuck doing a dead end job that I would not enjoy. A job should provide work-life balance and should be something you enjoy doing and provides purpose and meaning to your life. There is too much negative stigma of not having a job. There is always going to be unemployed people within society. After a period of 12+ months unemployed you are regarded by employers/recruiters as unemployable, due to the lack of recent work experience/skills needed for most jobs. When you are long term unemployed it is a catch-22 scenario, you remain unemployed with no job and no experience because you need a job to gain experience.

Your work ethic is pretty poor.
If you don't want to work, then why complain about not working?

If you know spamming emails is a waste of time, then why are you doing it?




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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

For a few years I used to apply for quite a few jobs but I was forced to take a full time minimum wage job or get cut off welfare, it was take it or leave it. This experience put me off working and I quit that minimum wage full time job after 18 months to go on welfare and study at university and do a Commerce degree. Over the last 10 years since graduating from university, I have looked at thousands of job ads but I never really applied for that many jobs because well I did not meet the requirements and it was too easy being on welfare. Spamming emails is a waste of my time and does not lead to anything, because most emails are deleted without ever being read.

I do not regard that anyone should be defined by having a job or not. I have more time to focus on my hobbies and do what I want with my life instead of being stuck doing a dead end job that I would not enjoy. A job should provide work-life balance and should be something you enjoy doing and provides purpose and meaning to your life. There is too much negative stigma of not having a job. There is always going to be unemployed people within society. After a period of 12+ months unemployed you are regarded by employers/recruiters as unemployable, due to the lack of recent work experience/skills needed for most jobs. When you are long term unemployed it is a catch-22 scenario, you remain unemployed with no job and no experience because you need a job to gain experience.

Just remember that you are taking from those that do work so you can simply enjoy taking from the welfare system, which was designed for people that really can't work. 

Become self-employed. If you think no one will hire you, hire yourself. Monetize your life. Find something interesting and find a way to make money on it. I did that simply to make ends meet, and am in a much better position in my life for it.

One day, hopefully, your welfare will run out and you'll be forced to make choices. It'd be better to do it now, rather than later when you're even older with zero skills, and even less employment history. Be your own boss. If you need advice, I can tell you how I turned a few YouTube tutorials into something that made me about $7,000 last month and am only seeing upside to what I do 20-30hrs a week.



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