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Machiavellian said:
Rab said:

Impassioned response to how pathetic both the Republicans and Democrats are in the US

It's just terrible how far the US is descending, people in other Western Democracies are just shaking their heads in disbelief at the path the US keeps taking   

Naw, only Americans believe that other countries cares about their politics as much as they do.  Most do not care what the US does as long as it doesn't effect them.

Poster is a non-American that seems to overcare about American politics and he's been the case for years.



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SanAndreasX said:
SegaHeart said:



But I'm not a left because I hate abortion I don't wanna control and say what a woman can and should do, they can do whatever they want just remember when having sex put on a condom or take birth control pills we still in 2022 and my sister who takes birth control pills is way smarter than most woman who just don't educate themselfs in taking birth control pills. No I'm not pro life nor Pro Choice I reiterate woman can do whatever they want just make sure to put on a condom is that so hard what's the difference with condom on or off? and if you're sure like my sister take a birth controll pill the best ones .It angers me when people use their index finger and make fun of asians hate those type of people saw few of them on tiktok to degrade asians.Also I hate pedophilia in USA. Also support those with mental/Physical disability. I am 90%vegeterian barely eat meat I mostly eat salad and little meat.


In other words, even though you don't like abortion, you believe they should have the choice to get one if they feel they need it. That's what being "pro-choice" is. You should probably also know that one of the other civil rights court rulings that could potentially be challenged using the same reasoning as Roe v. Wade is Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 ruling which held that state and federal laws criminalizing the use of contraceptives were unconstitutional based on the right to privacy of married couples. 

Is it valid to be pro-choice on conversion therapy?



KLAMarine said:
SanAndreasX said:

In other words, even though you don't like abortion, you believe they should have the choice to get one if they feel they need it. That's what being "pro-choice" is. You should probably also know that one of the other civil rights court rulings that could potentially be challenged using the same reasoning as Roe v. Wade is Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 ruling which held that state and federal laws criminalizing the use of contraceptives were unconstitutional based on the right to privacy of married couples. 

Is it valid to be pro-choice on conversion therapy?

As an adult, sure, knock yourself out. In every state, it's perfectly legal for consenting adults, even though it's pretty much medical quackery.

If you're subjecting your child to it by force because you're embarrassed by your child being LGBT+, no. 

And don't even try any gotchas like what's supposedly happening in Florida or with Disney, because those are fictional scenarios.



Jumpin said:
Rab said:

Impassioned response to how pathetic both the Republicans and Democrats are in the US

It's just terrible how far the US is descending, people in other Western Democracies are just shaking their heads in disbelief at the path the US keeps taking   

Bit of advice: stop rotting your brain with tabloid YouTube channels.

Next time you might have something more relevant to say than “Holy fucking shit! The sky is falling: a YouTube channel shouts about political parties in the US!”

Don't give me advice, I would not trust it after that little piece of shallow analysis   



SanAndreasX said:
KLAMarine said:

Is it valid to be pro-choice on conversion therapy?

As an adult, sure, knock yourself out. In every state, it's perfectly legal for consenting adults, even though it's pretty much medical quackery.

If you're subjecting your child to it by force because you're embarrassed by your child being LGBT+, no. 

And don't even try any gotchas like what's supposedly happening in Florida or with Disney, because those are fictional scenarios.

A common tactic is incoming. "So much for the tolerant left", using false equivalence to assume that if you're tolerant of cultures and alternative lifestyles, there's not allowed to be a line in 'tolerating' bigotry. Becuas to some people, everything's all or nothing, either allow everything under the banner of free choice or oppress everything like communists. 

They think it's clever but it's just stupid as fuck and exhausting to have to repeatedly point out that the world has nuance, shit's not black and white, and that there are moral differences between allowing two gay men to marry and allowing ignorant homophobes to harass them. 



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Runa216 said:
SanAndreasX said:

As an adult, sure, knock yourself out. In every state, it's perfectly legal for consenting adults, even though it's pretty much medical quackery.

If you're subjecting your child to it by force because you're embarrassed by your child being LGBT+, no. 

And don't even try any gotchas like what's supposedly happening in Florida or with Disney, because those are fictional scenarios.

A common tactic is incoming. "So much for the tolerant left", using false equivalence to assume that if you're tolerant of cultures and alternative lifestyles, there's not allowed to be a line in 'tolerating' bigotry. Becuas to some people, everything's all or nothing, either allow everything under the banner of free choice or oppress everything like communists. 

They think it's clever but it's just stupid as fuck and exhausting to have to repeatedly point out that the world has nuance, shit's not black and white, and that there are moral differences between allowing two gay men to marry and allowing ignorant homophobes to harass them. 

Can you explain me what you mean? I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe it's because I'm not American.



The chicken I had for lunch today had more conscious, intelligence and awareness than all unborn babies. The USA is filled with inconsistently retarded people.



Rab said:
Jumpin said:

Bit of advice: stop rotting your brain with tabloid YouTube channels.

Next time you might have something more relevant to say than “Holy fucking shit! The sky is falling: a YouTube channel shouts about political parties in the US!”

Don't give me advice, I would not trust it after that little piece of shallow analysis   

OK, Joss Whedon.

You seem to believe there’s more depth to your empty outrage spam than how I responded.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Jumpin said:
Rab said:

Don't give me advice, I would not trust it after that little piece of shallow analysis   

OK, Joss Whedon.

You seem to believe there’s more depth to your empty outrage spam than how I responded.

The way you responded to that long video that included a decent bit of effort from the narrator to put it into context, makes it reasonable for me to think you didnt even watch all of it

Being straight on the attack with smarmy insults really only makes you look like a point scorer similar to the usual political hacks we see around, therefore unsurprisingly my lack of confidence in your analysis ;)

I wont be talking to you again as you appear to be someone who doesn't respond in good faith, therefore I wont waist my time  

Last edited by Rab - on 09 May 2022

Few questions for anyone who opposes abortion.

Suppose in a year I find out my kidneys are not functioning correctly, and I will need a transplant or I will die. My father is the only genetic match available. My father says he does not want to give me his kidney. (My father absolutely would in real life, but not this hypothetical). Should we legally be able to force him to give me his kidney?

After refusing to give me a kidney transplant, my father has a heart attack and dies in my hospital room. He has made his wishes clear that he does not wish to give me his kidney, he is not an organ donor, and his will explicitly says he wants his body to be buried with all of its organs. Should the doctors legally be able to ignore his wishes and transplant his kidney to save my life?

Let's say my dad does not die, and doesn't need to transplant his kidney. But, there is a miraculous machine where we can both put in an IV for half an hour every five years, and that will take care of the problems with no adverse effects to my father. My dad agrees that he will hook himself up to the machine to help me. I offer nothing in return, and no formal agreement is made. After five minutes, he says, "you know what, I changed my mind, I'm going to pull out this IV." Should doctors be able to legally prevent him from taking out the IV?

Suppose I am so angry at my dad not giving him my kidney that I take a scalpel and stab him. To save his life, he'll need a blood transfusion immediately, and we already know I'm a match. Should the hospital staff be able to strap me down and take my blood?


Basically, it all boils down to this. Aside from a pregnant woman, there is literally no circumstance where we will force any person to directly use their body to keep someone alive. Even if the person is dead, even if the person will lose nothing. It does not matter if there is a living, breathing, laughing, loving, brilliant, kind, sweet, wonderful, charitable person who will die otherwise. It doesn't matter. We will not violate bodily autonomy. It doesn't matter that the person who will die is the child of the potential donor. Doesn't matter if the other person is in a predicament that you cuased. In no other situation, real or imaginary, will we ever force a person to use their body to keep another person alive. But, fuck pregnant women I guess. That'll learn you to have sex.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 May 2022