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Jaicee said:
the-pi-guy said:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/583024-jury-finds-defendants-guilty-on-most-counts-in-arbery-case

>All 3 men in Arbery killing found guilty of murder

If there were a way to reveal who clicked the Agree button on that post, I suspect the results would reveal there to be zero overlap between those of us who agree with the jury's decision in the Ahmoud Arbery case and the Kyle Rittenhouse supporters here, and that fact tells you what you need to know about the latter group's idea of justice, IMO.

Well I agree with both these decisions from juridical point of view and based on facts we know. While there are some similarities between these cases, there's also crucial differences.

There's also a difference between moral and legal justice. Agreeing with jury's decicion on Rittenhouse case does not make one a Rittenhouse supporter ffs. 



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Torillian said:

For those interested here's the polling for this one by political ideology when asked should the defendents in the Arbery case be found guilty:

And then here's the same question from the same poll for Rittenhouse:

Conservatives did better on the Arbery case than Democrats did on the Rittenhouse one as far agreeing with the verdict, but there is definitely an ideological swing there. 

Link for source: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/3ppnqjpghh/econTabReport.pdf

Just look at how much more divisive the Rittenhouse case was! Public opinion on the Arbery case isn't even close. On the Rittenhouse case, by contrast, just three percentage points separate those who agree with the jury's decision to let him off scot-free for killing two people with an illegally-obtained AR-15 and those who feel differently, and what's more the latter group is the larger one!



Machiavellian said:
LurkerJ said:

That's not how it starts though, but whatever works for your "team", I guess.

I believe both sides are mental and should consider professional health support, if they made it alive out of the zoo that night. Americans are hilarious. 

Here is a question for you.  When Kyle walks up to protestors with his gun in his hand and not on his back, what is the immediate thought of anyone who witness this act. 

In my opinion, Its an act of aggression because no one knows the purpose or intent of the individual.  Do you wait until the person start shooting or do you act first.  If Kyle actually pointed his gun directly or indirectly at anyone where does this take us.  What we do not have is any particular law on engagement because anyone seeing someone walking around with their rifle out coming towards you is not going to believe you are out on some midnight stroll taking in the scenery.

I think both sides were looking for trouble in these "mostly" peaceful riots, the protests had aggression acts built-in from day 1.

It doesn't help that I think lowly of the people protesting in a democratic country where someone like Bernie Sanders could be voted but continue to vote against change. It's hard to sympathise with idiots, perhaps Kyle's only redeeming quality is that he was a 17 year old boy and might grow out his stupidity one day. 



LurkerJ said:
Machiavellian said:

Here is a question for you.  When Kyle walks up to protestors with his gun in his hand and not on his back, what is the immediate thought of anyone who witness this act. 

In my opinion, Its an act of aggression because no one knows the purpose or intent of the individual.  Do you wait until the person start shooting or do you act first.  If Kyle actually pointed his gun directly or indirectly at anyone where does this take us.  What we do not have is any particular law on engagement because anyone seeing someone walking around with their rifle out coming towards you is not going to believe you are out on some midnight stroll taking in the scenery.

I think both sides were looking for trouble in these "mostly" peaceful riots, the protests had aggression acts built-in from day 1.

It doesn't help that I think lowly of the people protesting in a democratic country where someone like Bernie Sanders could be voted but continue to vote against change. It's hard to sympathise with idiots, perhaps Kyle's only redeeming quality is that he was a 17 year old boy and might grow out his stupidity one day. 

Why would you think lowly of people who protest which is pretty much how the US is built.  Now violence during protesting is something totally different.  Your last paragraph acts as if Bernie Sanders is someone that everyone believe as a successful politician.  For every person that loves Bernie, there is probably way more that think he is an idiot.  Do not forget that 70 million people vote for another term for Trump so there is definitely a large segment of the voting population that would definitely feel Bernie is not the direction the country should go. Protest is a way to get attention that people are not happy with the direction the country, state or local government is going.  Nothing wrong with it but with anything that can be taken advantage of, there will always be the grifters.



I know it hasn't been mentioned for a while, but the government has 9 days to raise the debt ceiling. If they don't raise it by then, they will default on it.



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Smollett's attacker has been found guilty



Yeah, so what. Why this has anything to do with political and more of someone grifting his celebrity.



Inflation is high.

Covid pandemic still sucks and keeps evolving.

The conservative supreme court is about to open a judicial pandora's box.

Yet, I'm still so relieved to have a normal and sane president in charge. Every day under the previous administration was an exhausting attack of anxiety.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gWECYYOSo

Please Watch/Share this video so it gets shown in Hollywood.

Machiavellian said:
LurkerJ said:

I think both sides were looking for trouble in these "mostly" peaceful riots, the protests had aggression acts built-in from day 1.

It doesn't help that I think lowly of the people protesting in a democratic country where someone like Bernie Sanders could be voted but continue to vote against change. It's hard to sympathise with idiots, perhaps Kyle's only redeeming quality is that he was a 17 year old boy and might grow out his stupidity one day. 

Why would you think lowly of people who protest which is pretty much how the US is built.  Now violence during protesting is something totally different.  Your last paragraph acts as if Bernie Sanders is someone that everyone believe as a successful politician.  For every person that loves Bernie, there is probably way more that think he is an idiot.  Do not forget that 70 million people vote for another term for Trump so there is definitely a large segment of the voting population that would definitely feel Bernie is not the direction the country should go. Protest is a way to get attention that people are not happy with the direction the country, state or local government is going.  Nothing wrong with it but with anything that can be taken advantage of, there will always be the grifters.

We live in an era where voting is more powerful than protesting. You can get more done for you if you do your homework and organise and spread the message, protesting doesn't get you nearly the same results. But who wants homework, let's get out and blow the city up, that's always easier than educating ourselves about the candidates you're presented with and their history as politicians. In my opinion, Bernie failed (as a presidential candidate, not a politician), because people didn't do their homework, not that I am presenting him as the ideal candidate to elect, just an example of someone who would've pushed for real solutions if he was elected 10 years ago. So yeah, no sympathy for the lazy. 



Signalstar said:

Inflation is high.

Covid pandemic still sucks and keeps evolving.

The conservative supreme court is about to open a judicial pandora's box.

Yet, I'm still so relieved to have a normal and sane president in charge. Every day under the previous administration was an exhausting attack of anxiety.

Children of Yemen are also less anxious now that Biden is the president arming the Saudis and their famine is sponsored by a party who conveniently wears a mask that prevent from constantly remind you that there is evil in this world you can prevent if your approach to politicians was more nuanced than "I am voting for someone who's not Trump". If anything, it's probably meaner of Joe to make these bold claims about how he'll stand by the Yemenis and get their hopes up just to brush their issue off the table only after squeezing out all the political gains he could when he ran against Trump.