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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Thanks, much appreciated.

Any idea who would be a good pick for Kamala as her VP if it came to this?

A Democrat. Preferably a Democrat.

More seriously though, I think presidential candidates pick running mates substantially to compensate for perceived flaws or weak spots that they have. The main type of person Kamala Harris appeals to right now is your average, middle-aged, Gen X middle class suburban mom with at least a Bachelor's degree who perhaps had to forfeit her career as some kind of white collar professional recently to become a full-time mom with the kids perpetually out of school and the day cares closed or severely restricted because of COVID-19 and being the lower income-earner in the family and ain't happy about that. Who dislikes this sort of person the most? Who thinks the least like the average middle class, center-left American woman? Two groups come to mind:

The first group is older, wealthier-than-average white men from rural areas who lack college degrees because they make their money by, well, manipulating other people's money and as such don't need no fucking education. This sort of person voted for Donald Trump twice and feels threatened by the intelligence, the femaleness, and the blackness of someone like Kamala Harris, views her as essentially foreign, and fears that she'll ban all guns, replace the market economy with Soviet-style "socialism", abolish the police, lock all the white men in their homes permanently with military troops stationed outside their doors, cozy up to China, and enthusiastically welcome foreign terrorists into the country on purpose to destroy Christianity and guarantee Democrat Party political dominance for the indefinite future. This person also probably believes that there's an active plot afoot to install her as president before the end of Biden's term.

The second group consists of younger, more blue collar people (mostly also men) from urban areas have been perhaps actively involved in Black Lives Matter and/or the Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns. This person feels that someone like Kamala Harris is a naturally sneaky and dishonest person who's secretly plotting to multiply police funding by 10,000% and start World War 3 against Fatherland Russia and use these things as an excuse to privatize everything else because she was once a prosecuting attorney, which proves that her ambition is to sell out her Race for a seat at the table with the white enemy 'cause she's basically a un-woke Black Karen neocon white supremacist swerf-terf controlled by the CIA.

Kamala Harris would need the baseline support of one of those two demographics to be elected president. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that she's consciously aware that her chances are better with the latter one, so that's who she'll spend the ensuing years prodding the new president to appease more often and that she will be inclined to choose a running mate who's perceived to have more rapport with this demographic than herself. As to specifically who that might be in the year 2024...I don't know. I think a lot depends on things like whether the Biden Administration successfully passes both the new stimulus/minimum wage bill and their climate/health care bill in particular (and they'd better!). I also think whoever Harris would choose as her running mate would probably be male and not black and a strong advocate for something like college debt cancellation (something a Biden Administration won't likely be able to get done that has high youth support).

That would be my first guess anyway.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jaicee said:

Here's sort of how I'm foreseeing 2024 shaping up as of this moment:

1) The Democrats will likely nominate Kamala Harris since Biden has suggested he'll only serve one term and being as she's the current vice president.

2) Donald Trump will absolutely run again, almost certainly as a Republican. Nothing can stop this. Not even if he were in prison at the time could he be stopped from going through with another presidential run. It's inevitable, so get ready to start seeing him running again in another two years.

3) Trump could be renominated. Or maybe not, as there really is now a vocal minority of Republicans opposed to Trumpism and further political campaigns by Donald Trump. Trump's support in the Republican Party may still be high, but it's worth pointing out that whereas he got the votes of 94% of them in November, recent surveys suggest that only about 60% of them want him to remain involved in GOP politics. That's a fairly steep drop-off in a short period of time. I think it's possible for someone else to get the Republican nomination in 2024 even with Trump on the ballot.

4) If Trump doesn't get renominated by the Republican Party in 2024, he'll absolutely continue running anyway either as an independent or as a third-party candidate because, as we have already plainly seen in quite painful ways, his ego is entirely too monumental to accept defeat and/or act rationally in response thereto. Either way, he won't be president again.

5) Kamala Harris might win or lose, but she can only lose if the Republicans stay unified in their presidential vote, and realistically only if the Republicans specifically rally around a more traditional Reaganist type of nominee; the type of Republican who can get middle class, suburban support, not just the backing of rural America. Much will depend on just how effective a president Joe Biden turns out to be in the interim and on exactly who the Republicans nominate and whether they rally around their nominee.

Exactly what I'm expecting also. Trump will run for El Presidente unless he's physically unable to.

I didn't know Biden stated that he might only serve one term. Do you maybe have a source for that that you could show me?

Can we get a bet thread on this.  I believe that Trump will absolutely not run in 2024.  I am not saying he will not bluff it up to 2024 because he wants that Money, I am saying that when its time to actually run, he will bail.  I still believe Trump is more grifter than anything else and trying to run again and having his ego blown out with another lost would crush him.  If anything he will try to back someone to run, offering to add his donation money to help out but really looking to have that cash kicked back to himself or his family.



Just for a bit of fun

Bernie at Biden's inauguration memes have circuited around the internet, if your not sure what I mean see below

Some have modded the Bernie Sanders Meme into games, there are many :)   

 



Biden is putting in an effort to address many issues the US faces, he has listened to others on these matters so far, he has signed in a lot policies in his very short time in office, what a breath of fresh air

Now the Est. Media in this case the New York Times are starting to push back asking him to slow down, wtf :/

  



Rab said:

Biden is putting in an effort to address many issues the US faces, he has listened to others on these matters so far, he has signed in a lot policies in his very short time in office, what a breath of fresh air

Now the Est. Media in this case the New York Times are starting to push back asking him to slow down, wtf :/

  

Just proves that not all media in the US is left-leaning, making Trumps bitching and whinging entirely redundant.




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Bandorr said:

  1. Newsmax spread dominion conspiracy crap.
  2. Newsmax got sued by Dominion.
  3. Newsmax cut the conspiracy crap.

Newsmax is so afraid of Dominion that the host literally had to read out their disclaimer about Dominion WHILE talking over the guest the brought on. Then the host had to cut the segment and actually leave.

They are THAT scared of  Dominon that even mention of the voter fraud gets them that scared.  

A lot of the news from the right lately has been as sad and/or concerning as it is funny. This is just plain hilarious. Watching that anchor literally walk off set to distance himself from Mike is the best laugh I've gotten concerning politics in a long time. Thanks for that.



vivster said:
AsGryffynn said:

Correlation my friend, does not equal causation. The right has led successful and stable governments in places not called America. It's just that the brand of right-wing American politics is staunchly pro-corporations and this hurts the normal people. The conservative social views are just something they endorse out of a refusal to surrender demographics they consider reliable and liking the idea of ruling for as long as possible. They don't want to throw their long term support away. 

The Democratic Party isn't much better. 

Pretty sure I was talking exclusively about the US and their human hating party and not right wing politics in general. I know they actually do not mean the harm they are causing and even think what they are doing is good, but that doesn't change that they're deliberately neglecting people. People they have sworn to speak for.

Also that last statement is irrelevant as long as the US doesn't have a democracy. So until they establish one, you can safely stop using that phrase.

You mean the Democratic Party is completely innocent? You do remember Biden's role in the Iraq War, don't you? 

Also, SURPRISE! The Democratic Party is negotiating smaller payments... WITH THEMSELVES

Sorry, I don't buy it. You want to convince me otherwise? Call me when the candidate for the US "left" has this: 

1. Universal Health Care as a non negotiable proposal. 

2. A strong welfare state. 

3. Anti-war or dovish foreign policy stances. 

Otherwise, you're just saying "not in my backyard". As in "war doesn't matter, so long as it doesn't happen in my territory" but it's fine happening in some far away country I will never visit. 

Good grief. 

At least you admit they aren't a democracy at all. 

Also, I swear if Janet Yellen dares go after WSB, I will maim, skin and eat a dog. 



Pemalite said:
Rab said:

Biden is putting in an effort to address many issues the US faces, he has listened to others on these matters so far, he has signed in a lot policies in his very short time in office, what a breath of fresh air

Now the Est. Media in this case the New York Times are starting to push back asking him to slow down, wtf :/

  

Just proves that not all media in the US is left-leaning, making Trumps bitching and whinging entirely redundant.

Most privately own news papers, and tv channels are by the rich.
They typically lean to the right (self intrests).

The idea that the media is all left-leaning is non-sense.
I would say as a eksample, the UK media is heavily biased towards the right.

US? its a mixed bag.
However, I think the so-called "left leaning" news sites, are more like neutral, while the right leaning ones, are like extreme rightwing borderline propaganda channels.  So I wouldn't even say they have 2 extremes.

Fox news, Oann ect... are like propaganda channels found in china or such.
Just its the "western" version, suited for right wing leaning people.

(they peddle lies, conspiricies, and attack anything the otherside party does, more so than actually report events, in a fair and honest way. They clearly try to skew the news in a certain direction)

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No tweets, no "press briefings", no chopper talk, no rallies, it feels weird to not have to deal with his BS every day (not that there isn't still plenty elsewhere). Hope it stops feeling weird in good time.



TallSilhouette said:

No tweets, no "press briefings", no chopper talk, no rallies, it feels weird to not have to deal with his BS every day (not that there isn't still plenty elsewhere). Hope it stops feeling weird in good time.

It sure is weird. I don't even know how many times he's been golfing so far.



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