sundin13 said:
Rab said:
Ok so you don't trust her views, I do
If Biden isnt careful immediately and starts letting the Est. get a hold, progressive policies could slide, he will lose his presidency in 4 years and even the control of the senate in 2, it's a hard pill to swallow for the Est., they will deny it's an issue until it is
She just makes no bones about it.. rubs people ;)
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There is a big difference between what you just said and what she said in that video. I think the fact that you need to completely change the message from a video under the premise of "Coulda Had Bernie", in which she complains about Biden proposing policies which are good and similar to Bernie's (which are amaaazing), speaks volumes about how strong and evidence based her message really is.
Reality is, if Bernie was president, he would be dealing with the exact same shit. You can't pass anything without the Senate and you simply don't have unanimous approval from all Democrats to get this stuff done, even if you can get past the filibuster (Budget reconciliation only gets you so far). It is nothing but a fantasy to think that Saint Bernard would step into office and suddenly Joe Manchin will support a progressive agenda. The only way we are going to get anything done is by going through him. Taking the strong arm route likely will do little more than lose us his seat, so yeah, we are going to have to take a step back from the progressive agenda and compromise. Welcome to the government. Change takes place in the margins until the people demand otherwise and the people gave us a split Senate, lost us seats in the House and gave us a moderate President, yet despite all that, Biden is still pushing in a remarkably progressive direction. Yes, we will have to compromise, but you are off your rocker if you think Bernie would just waltz in and pass anything close to M4A.
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"Saint Bernard".. You realise it was Bernie's work over decades and his progressive movement that included a $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, M4A and many other progressive policies that moved the needle for Biden's future policies?
Without Bernie you would not even have the sniff of those things coming into reality from Biden's Est. camp, Bernie has made progressive policies virtually impossible to ignore now, particularly with the young and upcoming voters
Playing down Bernie is so Est. even now when they are finally starting to support these things, they just think they thought this up themselves, it's the sort of hypocrisy that fires people up including our lovely Kristal Ball
Years of "compromise" with the Reps got the US where?.. in the shite it's in now that's where, doing the same thing expecting different results, only this time Bernie's movement has given the US a chance, not Biden, he is just hooking his wagon to Bernie's movement and enjoying the ride, as he had no policies of any merit until Bernie and others showed him what could be done
Just to be clear Bernie never expected the senate to back him if he won, he made it clear in his campaign, if a senator needed convincing he was going to go to that state and personally advertise and inform each constituency of their senators "wrong" decision and in time turn the people against them in any of their upcoming elections, he wasn't BS'ing, he would do it, very Bernie
Last edited by Rab - on 27 January 2021