Runa216 said:
Confirmation bias. Or maybe Occams Razor. I highly doubt your family business was targeted, more likely just a bad case of circumstances. Plus, the actual BLM activists were protesting for their right to...exist without persecution. One thing that is always going to be true about humanity is that people will take advantage of any situation. The people burning things down and doing the damage were not likely actual BLM protestors, but more likely unaffiliated shitheads who wanted to cause trouble and figured this was the opportunity to get away with it or blame it on others. For the record, I don't actually believe that BLM or Antifa caused the violence in their respective marches. both of those protests were with the goal of peaceful resolution and causing violence would be counterintuitive to their cause. I'm also saying that if they DID vandalize, their reasons were justified. Not ideal and I don't endorse violence, but that, as I said, historically shit doesn't change without violence. I like to think we're collectively better than that but it seems to not be the case. And no, for anyone else reading this is not hypocrisy, it's just multi-leveled nuance to a sitution. BLM and Antifa both came about due to the rise of fascism and the persistence of systemic racism. It wasn't just because they wrongfully thought they were being oppressed. The original intent of both movements was to curb the spread of bigotry and white supremacy. Bad things. Actual, non-negotiably bad things. The cause for both movements was justified and righteous. Both sought to get their message across without using violence but with loud voices and strength. Antifa existed only to counter groups like the alt-right and proud boys and the shocking continued existence of the KKK. They never wanted to hurt people, their goal was to stop a group from hurting others. Same with BLM. They never wanted to hurt anyone, their goal was to bring attention to the issue and stop cops (and other systems of governance) from targeting black folks in provably higher numbers. Both of these groups very much so have intentions of lowering hate and minimizing violence. I'm sure some of their members want more violent problem solving (Look at MLK vs Malcom X), and there will always be minorities within groups that act out against the will of the populace. Oh, and there will always be interlopers who are opportunistic shit-disturbers. So I'm saying that BLM and Antifa's existence were a reaction to various forms of bigotry, that their goals are for peace and a reduction and violence, and that if they did resort to violence given the reality of our current world, it would be understandable. Not advisable or encouragable, but understandable. Historically, BLM and the black community kinda has every right to violently oppose the system that has held them down. Antifa may very well have to resort to violence to...you know, combat fascism. I'll invoke godwin's law here when I say we didn't talk down the nazis in the 40's, we had to go to war with them. We had to kill a lot of nazis to, you know, stop them from eradicating the jews and all that. I'm saying that, as a collective we should know better, but if worse comes to worse, maybe we should start reacting appropriately to the rise of nazis and nationalism. I hope it doesn't come to that, but historically people really don't have a good record of peaceful negotiation when dealing with folks and groups who wanna rule the world at the expense of everyone else. IT's kinda hard to deal with folks who fetishize guns and think they're being oppresed. And anyone who thinks that BLM or Antifa are the bad guys...well, that directly puts you on the wrong side of history. I'm genuinely shocked that people don't see how things go throughout history. Like, we fought a war over whether it was alright to own black people. We fought wars over which religion got to be important in a region. We still don't treat women or queer folk fully equally...but we're getting there. As the march of time progresses, equality is closer and closer. Tolerance is growing more widespread. Multiculturalism is on the rise. as a collective whole, we're doing better and, believe it or not, the world is actually doing better than it ever has on a global scale in terms of world peace and prosperity. WE're making progress. White nationalism, bigotry, intolerance, all that shit is slowly but surely on its way out. This MAGA bullshit is the last gasp of a generation and an ideal that will soon be as obsolete as owning black slaves in America. IT's the last violent outburst of a people who knows their bigotry is no longer tolerated, so they're acting like they're being victimized in the same way slaves or queers or women were in the past, all while claiming that the world's changes are bad and their beliefs are the last clinging remnant of a world that used to be better. That's why republicans are so rightly vilified in today's modern world. They cling to the ideals of a past that they don't want to let go, even if those ideals also overlap with white supremacy and sexism and intolerance. That's why they hate progressives; all they see is that the world is changing and they can't keep up. They don't want to keep up. They don't like or can't handle change, even if that change is good for a wider range of people. That's why they hate democrats and liberals. Selfishness will always be baffled by altruism, and republicans value personal freedoms and liberty while democrats tend to believe that we're all in this together and should be helping each other out. To a republican, socialism isn't 'for the collective', it's 'you're stealing from me to give my hard earned money to the poor'. It's a matter of perspective, and sadly a selfish worldview devoid of context will make you sympathize with a republican. But as I said, that shit's on the way out. That sort of belief is making way for multiculturalism and inclusion and tolerance and certain people can't get over it. That's why they fight. That's why they're so loud. That's why they're so aggressive and so dangerous. They're like a cornered rat, fighting violently because they know they lost. Unfortunately, they're not fighting to preserve who they are like blacks or queers or women or even muslims, they're fighting to preserve the belief that they're superior to all of the above. That is why it's perfectly reasonable for BLM and Antifa to riot but it's not okay for MAGA to do the same. it's not hypocrisy; one of these is morally just and one of these answers is right. Period. I rant a lot; I should write a damn book. |
"I highly doubt your family business was targeted, more likely just a bad case of circumstances. Plus, the actual BLM activists were protesting for their right to...exist without persecution. One thing that is always going to be true about humanity is that people will take advantage of any situation. The people burning things down and doing the damage were not likely actual BLM protestors, but more likely unaffiliated shitheads who wanted to cause trouble and figured this was the opportunity to get away with it or blame it on others.
For the record, I don't actually believe that BLM or Antifa caused the violence in their respective marches. both of those protests were with the goal of peaceful resolution and causing violence would be counterintuitive to their cause. I'm also saying that if they DID vandalize, their reasons were justified. Not ideal and I don't endorse violence, but that, as I said, historically shit doesn't change without violence."
>What if those shitheads came forward and confirmed their membership to BLM? What then? Do they cease being shitheads and are now justified in targeting an innocent party? An innocent party just trying to exist without persecution from rioters?
If shit doesn't change without violence, should these innocent, vulnerable parties start arming themselves to defend their means of sustenance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCYT9Hew9ZU
Where do we find ourselves if things keep along this route?
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