He said a majority of people did not want Trump to be president. He did not say the majority of states or the majority of counties. They're talking about people, and you're interjecting yourself to talk about something completely different.

You are also factually incorrect. The US election does not work on a plurality of the states. You can win 26 states and not win the election, so it's obviously not a plurality system. You could in fact win the presidency with only 12 states (CA, FL, TX, PA, NY, NJ, OH, NC, VA, MI, GA, MA).  Also, neither party involved was talking about the electoral college, so again, you're talking about something completely different. 

Then your argument is that because a majority of counties voted for Trump the people "clearly" wanted him. Which is a bad argument. Because if we want to talk about what the people wanted, which is what the two participants were talking about, then we would look at who the people voted for.

If you want to say that counties clearly wanted Trump then go ahead. If you want to say Trump won the electoral college, also undisputed. But arguing that the people clearly wanted Trump when he did not even win a plurality of the people is a really poor argument.

That "look how red the map is" argument is always funny. Yes, people in rural areas often vote different to people in urban areas. Doesn't mean there are more people...

Just imagine Greenland voting completely different to Denmark and you would probably say "the voting system ist rigged, the people clearly voted against the winner". Like...what?

Or in 100 years when like 95% in the USA will live in big cities but the few people still living "outside" and repairing robots on automated farms represent the majority to you.

He got 74+ million votes, if you gonna make a post like this, atleast try to be correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election

Funny how the party that's against participation trophies and free handouts wants to be given a win they did not earn.

I think the current situation in American is scary, and too many here are attempting to convince themselves Trump isn't as popular as he is, given it helps them sleep at night. When the reality is we need to address the fact that a person such as this was able to rise to power.

I would need to see the empirical evidence for voter suppression rather than take someone elses word for it.

Trump still has almost half a nation in support before the drama happened in terms of numbers of users, vote counts are proof of that.
2016 he was at 46% give or take.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

But Trump has the majority support as some of the previous posters have eloquently elaborated upon.

But the US system works in such a way where you don't need the majority support of the people to be elected, you need the support of the electors, it's still democracy at work and Trump gained majority support there which resulted in him being in office.

Do note I never said the majority of people supported Trump.

False.
Trump initiated Tax Cuts which benefited the Rich and Big-Business, something he is definitely a part of...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/business/trump-tax-cuts-beat-gilti.html

Especially so as he didn't divest from his businesses either, which would fall under a conflict of interest? In-fact there were 2,300 reported conflicts of interest between the president and his business dealings.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/09/04/trump-presidency-spawns-conflicts-of-interest-personal-profits-column/2197263001/

Even over a 3 year period he visited his properties 365 times. Not a good look.
He has benefited from being a rich elite that is part of a "rigged system" sitting up top.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/09/04/trump-presidency-spawns-conflicts-of-interest-personal-profits-column/2197263001/

Trump also received Hundreds of millions of dollars in donations from the public in order to fight the loss of the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/trump-raised-200m-from-false-election-claims-what-happens-to-the-money-now

A large portion of which will never go towards it's original intention.

Trump Organization has 1.9~ Billion in revenues.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-businesses-revenue-golf-clubs-mar-lago-b423184.html

Trump also benefited heavily as president and promoted his own properties at every chance... I.E. They charged the secret service $17,000 dollars a month for a cottage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization#Controversies

Big assertion that I would want anyone to "die" considering my fucking JOB is to protect life, property and the environment.

Do not put words in my mouth, stop with the logical fallacies. It's honestly making you look silly.

If people vote for an idiot, then expect to get stupid results.
And like I said prior... People need to learn from their mistake to improve and move on rather than bitch, moan and complain for almost half a decade.

Correct. If the people of a country do not wish to support a LEADER who has a MANDATE to improve education, health, infrastructure and more... By using evidence and examples that other countries have instigated that have proven to be functional and beneficial... Then yes. It's their own fault for voting for the current situation.
I'm not going to show sympathy towards those individuals.

The fact is many European nations have showcase the benefits of universal healthcare... And not only does it provide a higher level of care, but it is also cheaper... But ask any American and they will just chalk it up to 'socialism' and 'that's a bad thing dude'.
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2020/jan/us-health-care-global-perspective-2019

I don't care if someone is Republican or Democrat, I'm not American.
I do care who the leader is as it can have world-wide ramifications.

Again... The election system is why the US deserved Donald Trump. Don't need to rehash and repeat why, I have communicated that abundantly now.

Yes, we have the luxury of a good education system.
Do you know how we got to that point? We had bipartisan support, we elected good leaders, we looked towards cost-benefit analysis, science and overseas examples on how to build our educational model... And we planned for that.
We didn't elect leaders who threw out the old model to push their own model just after a few years. (I.E. Obamacare.) We constantly iterated and improved through new regulation and legislation. - And our right-wing and left-wing leaders were on the same page.

The issue the United States has is that it's very anti-socialist, so our model will never function over there because of the very right-leaning rhetoric.
Even the Democrats are comparatively center-right compared to our centrist political parties.

You need to stop taking ad hominem jabs. I have plenty of compassion and empathy, very little tolerance for bullshit.

As for me being a mod... That has nothing to do with this, I am posting as a regular user in this thread, so if you feel I have overstepped a line, hit that report button.

Its not related to the current topic but an interesting video nonetheless.



Video is from Jonas Čeika - CCK Philosophy A leftist youtuber who talks about philosophy and also critiques modern societal issues.

This specific video is about how certain tv shows (Simpsons is used for this example) began as critiques on society through parody but lost this as they grew in popularity. He makes some historical references where at first the Simpsons are referenced by President Bush Senior in a negative sense and later partially positive by Ted Cruz. Theres also a hook that leads into the last election cycle.

Do note that you said "Lets be realistic here... Trump was elected for the people, by the people. Everything that has occurred over the last 4 years is the United States own fault, they voted for this."

They way you phrased it includes all of the people -> a majority of people infact. 

It's 62,984,828 for Trump vs 65,853,514 for Clinton.

That is the actual point Vivs was going for. By stating in his reply, "a minority did", he obviously meant those close to 63 million people. 

You talked past each other..... 

If you are generally talking about a democratic vote, you expect the party to win who has the most votes. Yet, in the US, ones vote has more or less value than the other one. That electional process in the US is "debatable"...

Please add a description of what the video is about and where it's from.

Added both.