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Immersiveunreality said:
JRPGfan said:

Trump generalised Antifa as a radical terror group. When supposedly its not even organised, or a group, and doesnt really do terror.

Its not "just plain incompetence", its Trump targeting something he see's as "left" side of the political sprectrum, which he doesnt like, so its fine.
And yes, these are likely innocent protestors.  But they make great scapegoats!  Its all Antifa's fault, let me go bully these protestors into submition, so I dont have to deal with the issue.

Its political oppression, by the presidents orders, from the look of things.
Excuseing it as "incompetence" and going "thats fine then, he just doesnt know better",.... slippery slope.
Because if people can accept that the goverment can just beat down protestors, what next?

The level of incompetence on this scale can never be excusable and even when i use incompetence i used it for the policeforce itself.

Besides Trump doing the most wrong things to do as a president there is also a lot of incompetence under his command beneath him.

"incompetence" and going "thats fine then, he just doesnt know better" :I do not like when you make up this quote and connect it to me,had nothing to do with what i said and it unjustly brings down my character and my intention in this thread.

Sorry, didnt mean to imply you said that, it wasnt a quote of you, it was a exsample of what some might excuse it as.
I'm saying, no one should just excuse his actions like this.

Its a real concern (not something people should brush off, or ignore as crazy talk).
Trump is acting like a facist, and alot of americans just dont seem to care.



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JRPGfan said:
Immersiveunreality said:

That is not how they should deal with antifa at all,i have seen them taken people that i reconsder to be kids that do not look harmfull.

Antifa kinda are plenty ''different'' organisations that are bundled together by using that name,so the motivations and morality differs greatly within antifa as a case to case scenario,differs on the group you recruit to.

I knew a cop that needed to go undercover and join certain groups of people to see who of them was responsible for certain crimes while acting as their bro,would be better to approuch it like that and that would not put innocent young adults in jail.

And yeah the goverments behaviour on the protesters is very fascist and unorganized.

Your assumeing that these even antifa, or are even guilty of anything.
They arn't charged with anything, and their released after being terrorised, or beaten.

*IF* these where actually terrorist antifa, as trump calls them, and had done something, surely they wouldnt be released afterwards?

Chances are very high, these are just innocent protestors.

And its all just a tactic to scare, and intimdate, people into not protesting.
If you kidnap and beat enough people up, sooner or later, there are no more protestors.

However this isnt how things are done in a democracy.

(Trump can choose to ignore, protesters if he doesnt want police reforms. He should not be allowed to beat his own citizens into complience. Can we agree on that? its not healthy for a society to use force to beat down on the public, when theres politics you dont agree with, they want. Thats called oppression and facism)

Still... how would you solve the situation? 

Anyway yes you are right no government should NEVER do it and those are things that you would see only under dictatorships.

BUT... do we know if it is REALLY true that those people are being beaten and tortured? Does the government has any power under law to, considering you are a suspect, take you into custody for interrogation, so in theory it would be lawful to do it in US?

What they are doing is probably looking for the leaders in the middle of the mob, or maybe we dont have all the facts because to be honest so many, but SO MANY videos are edited to give you one impression that is sometimes very far from reality that I dont really know what to believe anymore. Especially considering MSNBC which is totally biased.



EnricoPallazzo said:
JRPGfan said:

Your assumeing that these even antifa, or are even guilty of anything.
They arn't charged with anything, and their released after being terrorised, or beaten.

*IF* these where actually terrorist antifa, as trump calls them, and had done something, surely they wouldnt be released afterwards?

Chances are very high, these are just innocent protestors.

And its all just a tactic to scare, and intimdate, people into not protesting.
If you kidnap and beat enough people up, sooner or later, there are no more protestors.

However this isnt how things are done in a democracy.

(Trump can choose to ignore, protesters if he doesnt want police reforms. He should not be allowed to beat his own citizens into complience. Can we agree on that? its not healthy for a society to use force to beat down on the public, when theres politics you dont agree with, they want. Thats called oppression and facism)

Still... how would you solve the situation? 

Anyway yes you are right no government should NEVER do it and those are things that you would see only under dictatorships.

BUT... do we know if it is REALLY true that those people are being beaten and tortured? Does the government has any power under law to, considering you are a suspect, take you into custody for interrogation, so in theory it would be lawful to do it in US?

What they are doing is probably looking for the leaders in the middle of the mob, or maybe we dont have all the facts because to be honest so many, but SO MANY videos are edited to give you one impression that is sometimes very far from reality that I dont really know what to believe anymore. Especially considering MSNBC which is totally biased.

Then its a good thing you have the most transparent president ever! in US history, trumps own words.

Except you cant know about his tax papers (tax evasion?).
You cannot have hearings with witnesses against him.
You cant even know his school grades.

You can trust the president, thats told 20,000+ lies, and him when he says all the other stuff is just fakenews.

This is the point of all his lies, and fakenew stuff.
To make people like you question, what is real or not.
So he can get away with acting however he likes, because his voter base, dont believe in the news anymore.
(Trump will point you towards, foxnews, for some propaganda, thats much easier to believe in).


Also Unmarked task force, that wont indentify themselves, wont tell you why they are detaining you, wont read you your rights, wont tell you (or others) where they are taking you, ect ect.

You can totally trust them....

Or not, perphaps thats why most places they require them to do such things?



"BUT... do we know if it is REALLY true that those people are being beaten and tortured?"

You have seen videos of peacefull protestors, not doing anything, just standing in the street.
Being attacked by cops for no reason.

What makes you think they act better, when theres no one around to video tape it?
When theres no way at all, to hold anyone accountable for their actions?

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JRPGfan said:
Immersiveunreality said:

The level of incompetence on this scale can never be excusable and even when i use incompetence i used it for the policeforce itself.

Besides Trump doing the most wrong things to do as a president there is also a lot of incompetence under his command beneath him.

"incompetence" and going "thats fine then, he just doesnt know better" :I do not like when you make up this quote and connect it to me,had nothing to do with what i said and it unjustly brings down my character and my intention in this thread.

Sorry, didnt mean to imply you said that, it wasnt a quote of you, it was a exsample of what some might excuse it as.
I'm saying, no one should just excuse his actions like this.

Its a real concern (not something people should brush off, or ignore as crazy talk).
Trump is acting like a facist, and alot of americans just dont seem to care.

Bold:

I thought that yes but such things get misinterpreted by lots of people and devolves threads in a tribalistic manner by the more farther left or right political people,it could put myself in a political box forever and make discussions more hard when others mistake me for Trump supporter.Kinda the same way as some here think i'm a Playstation fanboy for being positive about the brand with honest meaning,but when i do that for other brands those same people often do not notice cause all they see is that label they gave me.(But ofcourse if it is about games i do not really care what people think of me as it is just entertainment and should not be taken so serious)

Second bold:

Yeah it is concern and i have been looking at some american online pages that recruit young people and train them to think like that,they often get politically groomed with false facts that made me understand the stubborness and duality of american citizens more if something is able to exist like that on a grand scale.



I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.



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newwil7l said:

I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.

We have secret police detaining American citizens without charge and an administration that is above the law. What more does it take for you? Literal genocide?



TallSilhouette said:
newwil7l said:

I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.

We have secret police detaining American citizens without charge and an administration that is above the law. What more does it take for you? Literal genocide?

If Joe biden wins the election, but trump refuses to acknowledge that fact.
If he isnt thrown out of office, after such, he will have become one in truth.

Newwil7l, I hope your right.
However all it takes to prove you wrong, is for above to happend.
Trump loses to Joe Biden, isnt gracefull about, and somehow manages to retrain power for a periode of time dispite it.
Then the US will have succumb to a authoritarian regime.

Trump refuses to say, he'll accept a defeat to Joe Biden, and not blame it on voter fruad and such, and kick the USA into a constituational crisis.
Its not even "unthinkable" to me.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 21 July 2020

JRPGfan said:
TallSilhouette said:

We have secret police detaining American citizens without charge and an administration that is above the law. What more does it take for you? Literal genocide?

If Joe biden wins the election, but trump refuses to acknowledge that fact.
If he isnt thrown out of office, after such, he will have become one in truth.

Newwil7l, I hope your right.
However all it takes to prove you wrong, is for above to happend.
Trump loses to Joe Biden, isnt gracefull about, and somehow manages to retrain power for a periode of time dispite it.
Then the US will have succumb to a authoritarian regime.

Trump refuses to say, he'll accept a defeat to Joe Biden, and not blame it on voter fruad and such, and kick the USA into a constituational crisis.
Its not even "unthinkable" to me.

Trumo will literally be escorted out of the white house if he refuses to accept the results of an election he clearly lost 





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newwil7l said:

I'm a lefty but man some of you really take the dictator talk too far. There is a 0% chance US will ever succumb to an authoritarian regime. Trump is not a dictator, not even remotely close to one. Stop with the nonsensical hyperbole.

People can say what they want but at least Trump is letting people speak their minds off while the left is pushing social media for more censorship. There's a line between moderating dangerous ideas and enforcing an Orwellian nightmare upon us. It became really ironic when they harp on Trump about being a fascist.

Even in these threads, I'm seeing someone defend Antifa when there are several instances of them denying people of the first amendment by inducing violence and chaos. Fighting "fascism" by being the fascist they hate is absolute hypocrisy. And don't get me start with the hypocrisy of the BLM movement as well.