vivster said:
SpokenTruth said:
So your issue is with the irrationality for which some people vote in the US?
And not specifically with Sanders voters then.
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Basically yes, but I would still consider Bernie defectors worse than even Trump voters. Probably because I hold people who support Bernie to a higher standard than people who have already given up and support a barely sentient orange. Bernie supporters aren't supposed to be assholes, which makes it worse when they are.
There is no country easier to vote in than the US, so people who fuck up making the simplest decision piss me off.
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When you say people that have voted for Trump have given up, you really shut down conversations and polite discourse from happening. I don't like Trump, but I did vote for him. And why? Because policy. Here are a few things he has done or worked on that I agree with:
I am against the murdering of babies. He has appointed like-minded judges.
I think people should respect the borders of every nation.
I want criminal justice reform. People shouldn't be in prison for years/decades for non violent crimes.
I want to stop losing money to China by having massive trade deficits. It may not be a massive issue now, but if we keep going this way for the next 50 years it's going to be a big problem. Better to resolve this now.
I want to not lose jobs to countries that pay employees dirt cheap and have a lower cost of life. It's not fair on American families.
I want every American to continue to have the right to protect themselves and their loved ones with weapons, not just their bare hands. Mass shootings occur when no one has anything to defend themselves with. Banning guns means the only people that have them obtained them illegally and probably are up to no good, which makes the rest of us unsafe. Also it's a huge determent to someone invading us if we have an instant militia available.
People should be able to run their businesses as they wish, hire who they want, and allow whoever they want in the door. It's not business of mine making those decisions for a company I invested no money into.
People should be able to practice whatever religion they want as long as they aren't physically hurting others.
There are things I disagree with that Trump does, for sure, and I don't like his personality, but policy wise he is mostly satisfying, whereas Biden/Bernie would not be. I'm not strictly conservative either, I have some liberal and some libertarian perspectives, but mostly when it comes down to it Trump is the most in line with my hot button issues. At least so far. If Biden was still pro life like he used to be, and didn't swing to the Warren/Bernie/Aoc wing then I'd probably be more independent. Sadly these aren't the blue dog democrats anymore and have been taken over by extremists.