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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020
tsogud said:
SpokenTruth said:

One thing that President Trump doesn't quite get enough credit for are his word salads.  Few politicians that I can recall in my lifetime have been able to emit words of such inane babble as has Donald Trump. The quality of incoherence is at times simply remarkable. I present to you his latest mixture of nouns, verbs and adverbs topped with enough WTF sauce to make you say it's name out loud.

Q: So, Mr. President, you said yesterday you want NATO to do more. Could you be a little more — could you provide a little more information —

Trump: I did. I spoke —

Q: — on what you wanted (inaudible) —

Trump: Yeah. I spoke to them yesterday. I spoke to the Secretary General yesterday, and we had a great conversation. He was very — I think he was actually excited about it. I actually had a name. NATO, right, and then you have ME, Middle East. You call it NATO-ME. What a beautiful name. I'm good at names, right? USMCA. Like the song, “YMCA.” Everybody — nobody could remember “USMCA.” I said, “Think of the song, ‘YMCA.'” Now everybody says it. They don’t remember the previous name of the bad deal, okay — commonly known as “NAFTA.” No, if you add the words — if you add the two words “Middle East” at the end of it. Because that’s a big problem. That’s a big source of problems. And NATOME — doesn’t that work beautifully, Jon? Think of that: NATO plus ME. And he’s not — obviously, he’s not getting it. He’s not smiling. He used to smile. Before Iran, he was smiling. Now, he’s not smiling. So — You know what I’m talking about.

Just wow. And establishment Dems want to court the supporters of this illiterate joke of a man???? Wtf are they thinking, that's a lost cause....

Some said similar about Elon Musk early on. Who would cater to the idiots backing such an moron trying to build a worthy electric vehicle? Don't they know it's been tried by the best and clearly can't be done? By massive auto co's who'll crush him even if he somehow actually manages to make a bit of progress?

Good thing everybody listened to the 'wise men'...

BTW, Elon is a terrible speaker and presenter yet most don't care because he's gettin sh*t done.



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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Some said similar about Elon Musk early on. Who would cater to the idiots backing such an moron trying to build a worthy electric vehicle? Don't they know it's been tried by the best and clearly can't be done? By massive auto co's who'll crush him even if he somehow actually manages to make a bit of progress?

Good thing everybody listened to the 'wise men'...

BTW, Elon is a terrible speaker and presenter yet most don't care because he's gettin sh*t done.

Uh, that's a false equivalence.  We aren't talking about reluctance to a different approach to a long standing product.  We're talking about the incoherence of speech produced by the steward of the most powerful office on Earth.

And, no.  Elon is not a terrible speaker and presenter.  He's not the best at it but certainly far from being terrible. 

Tell you what.  Let's match word salads.  Elon against Donald.  I'll go first.

“I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”

President of the United States of America and their assumed behavior isn't considered long standing?

Which came first, petrol powered auto's, or President of the U.S.A? How much of a time gap?

Let's figure this out first maybe before we start playing match games.



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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

President of the United States of America and their assumed behavior isn't considered long standing?

Which came first, petrol powered auto's, or President of the U.S.A? How much of a time gap?

Let's figure this out first maybe before we start playing match games.

Again, you are pushing a false equivalence.

Car:
Original - Internal combustion engine.
Scoffed at idea that worked - Electric engine.

President:
Original - Coherent communications.
Scoffed at idea that worked - Incoherent communications.


This is why what you said doesn't make any sense.

So you're trying to say that over time, auto's have always been petrol powered? There were plenty of electrics back then as well. Petrol became the go to and became the clear choice, and now we're on a mission to rid of petrol auto's for good?...

So, over time, U.S. Presidents haven't had their strengths and weaknesses? Positives and negatives? Quirks and charms? Are you saying that the 'political petrol' we've typically had is fine so screw 'political warming'?

I mean, it's not exactly like auto companies are doing everything they can to electrify asap, and if that were so much better, well. Yet there's also plenty of people who don't think how the President is communicating is a problem, so should he give up his 'electrifying behavior' and become a typical 'political dipstick'?



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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020

"Going to create a site where the public can rate the core truth of any article & track the credibility score over time of each journalist, editor & publication. Thinking of calling it Pravda …"

I understand this extremely well also, somehow. Looks as though Musk and Trump have more in common than some, may think.



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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:
"Going to create a site where the public can rate the core truth of any article & track the credibility score over time of each journalist, editor & publication. Thinking of calling it Pravda …"

I understand this extremely well also, somehow. Looks as though Musk and Trump have more in common than some, may think.

What makes that statement a word salad? 
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

President of the United States of America and their assumed behavior isn't considered long standing?

Which came first, petrol powered auto's, or President of the U.S.A? How much of a time gap?

Let's figure this out first maybe before we start playing match games.

Again, you are pushing a false equivalence.

Car:
Original - Internal combustion engine.
Scoffed at idea that worked - Electric engine.

President:
Original - Coherent communications.
Scoffed at idea that worked - Incoherent communications.


This is why what you said doesn't make any sense.

So are we talking word salads or incoherent communications or eventually, anything that comes out of his mouth?

Is he trying to say the news and publications aren't true and that he doesn't believe them? What's Pravda?

After some research:

Oh, he's a conspiracy nut. He's also clearly a Russian asset. Electric man bad.



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EricHiggin on 14 January 2020

"There's a billion-to-one chance we're living in base reality."

This guy is great, and I want to buy his products, period.



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Runa216 on 15 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:

Let me add this in here. 

Elon is a smart person who at times may not be the smoothest person while talking.  But the thing is you can always tell that there's thought behind what he says.  

With Trump, it's pretty much the opposite.  He might be able to get words out, but they sound more like incoherent babbling half the time.  

It's shocking how few people accept this fact as reality. I don't know a lot about Elon's ethics or morals, all I know is that he's clearly brilliant. And Dutch. And a billionaire. Listening to him talk, reading about what he says and does, and knowing his impact on the world, it's clear he's smart. He might not always have the most tact and he can sometimes go a little too far into theoretical possibility for the average person, but he's clearly a genius. 

With Trump it's like he doesn't know anything about anything but is convinced he knows everything and has somehow managed to convince people of this. He can't form a coherent sentence (Something most people learn to do before the age of 5), lies about everything, and is wrong about everything else. Yet, becuase he speaks with confidence and a lack of self-awareness, he has a devoted following. Confidence speaks louder than intelligence with his followers. 

At least Elon has an excuse. English is his second language and he speaks it volumes better than trump and has the brain to back it up. I genuinely do not know how anyone could possibly compare the two. 



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EricHiggin on 15 January 2020
the-pi-guy said:
EricHiggin said:
"Going to create a site where the public can rate the core truth of any article & track the credibility score over time of each journalist, editor & publication. Thinking of calling it Pravda …"

I understand this extremely well also, somehow. Looks as though Musk and Trump have more in common than some, may think.
EricHiggin said:
"There's a billion-to-one chance we're living in base reality."

This guy is great, and I want to buy his products, period.

These are actually coherent thoughts.  
The fact that you "understand this extremely well" means it's not word salad.  Word salad is where it basically seems like random words being thrown out.  There's no coherent thought behind it.  

It's like if you created a random word generator, and put the words together as if they were a sentence.  

"No, if you add the words — if you add the two words “Middle East” at the end of it. Because that’s a big problem. That’s a big source of problems."

Seriously this looks like it was written by one of those crappy AI's from 10 years ago, that were just spitting out random sentences that have no context.  
SpokenTruth said:
I think I get it now. You identify with his word salads because that's your own language.

Are you saying ST is wrong above? It seemed pretty clear to them that I don't understand Elon, yet do understand Trump, because Trump apparently speaks in a way that might as well be considered another language. Yet somehow I understand both, which wasn't contested.

Do you not see the point I was making?

Incoherent means confusing and unclear. You really think that everyone clearly understood everything Elon was saying in that tweet, and beyond that, the deeper meaning behind it?

It should also be apparent, based not only on how Trump speaks now compared to his past, and how other Presidents have spoken, that it's not coincidence that there's a pattern of shorter sentences with pauses in between, more often than not. It's been made clear by many, especially in this thread, that what a President says is about as meaningful as it get's. It's almost like whoever is President, would want to speak in that type of manner, to give them time to think things through, before saying something that will be seen as extremely unacceptable.

Before you point out what Trump always says is 'unacceptable', if Trump went around saying he thinks it's highly unlikely this is base reality, do you think the media and people in general would say it's because he's a genius, or would he get the same negative treatment he always does?

I can't speak Chinese, but that doesn't make me think that everything Chinese people say is incoherent nonsense. Who's to say it's not though?

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EricHiggin on 15 January 2020
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Are you saying ST is wrong above? It seemed pretty clear to them that I don't understand Elon, yet do understand Trump, because Trump apparently speaks in a way that might as well be considered another language. Yet somehow I understand both, which wasn't contested.

Do you not see the point I was making?

Incoherent means confusing and unclear. You really think that everyone clearly understood everything Elon was saying in that tweet, and beyond that, the deeper meaning behind it?

It should also be apparent, based not only on how Trump speaks now compared to his past, and how other Presidents have spoken, that it's not coincidence that there's a pattern of shorter sentences with pauses in between, more often than not. It's been made clear by many, especially in this thread, that what a President says is about as meaningful as it get's. It's almost like whoever is President, would want to speak in that type of manner, to give them time to think things through, before saying something that will be seen as extremely unacceptable.

Before you point out what Trump always says is 'unacceptable', if Trump went around saying he thinks it's highly unlikely this is base reality, do you think the media and people in general would say it's because he's a genius, or would he get the same negative treatment he always does?

I can't speak Chinese, but that doesn't make me think that everything Chinese people say is incoherent nonsense. Who's to say it's not though?

Coherent as in properly formulated sentence structure, grammar and syntax with complete thoughts. Not coherent as in the ability to comprehend a complex, intellectual subject. 

It's not just the content itself that is incoherent but the manner in which Trump delivers it. It's disjointed, filled with run-on sentences, non-sequiturs and half thoughts.

I really just had to explain that to someone.

I can't believe you are equating Trump's random incoherent word salad babble with Musk's coherent statement on simulation theory.  

40:15-40:45. There's plenty more if you want to watch it all.

This one is more coherent, but it's full of pauses and useless things that have nothing to do with the point, which he has a hard time getting out.



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EricHiggin on 15 January 2020

The first is basically Chinese, even to him.
Second:
"People who you are fighting..... may love their kids." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"Yara goes to school with my daughter." lol WTF? Ya so what?
"If all you're doing is casting stones..uuuhhh......" lol.

It's almost as if before and after the Presidency, he wasn't such a great speaker, which he is so well known for, yet is praised for that by some.
Trump is himself for the most part, which obviously works based on how things are going, yet he's hated by some and should be more 'Presidential'.

I thought it was progressive to be all about being yourself. So why do progressives seem to hate when that actually happens?



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