You're not getting it. My point in comparing prostitution and rape is that, once the transaction is made, the one party, for all intents and purposes, LOSES their free will, their bodily autonomy, and they DON'T typically enjoy it! I have but proposed that such a surrender should not be an option. That's not the same thing as taking away a woman's self-determination, but more like assuring it by removing the commercial factor. That's how I view it.

No one has the right to buy another person's body! Not as far as I'm concerned! People who buy sex are taking advantage of others who are in a vulnerable mental-emotional state for their own personal benefit. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that. It's a horrible, parasitic, typically misogynistic practice.

I also don't think that it's actually an audacious thing to suggest the above either. A survey on the topic of prostitution out of Ontario, Canada conducted last summer, for example found that 75% of people (including 81% of women) even in such a liberal-minded environment as that believe prostitution is bad for women and girls, that furthermore six in ten Ontarians oppose legalizing such practices as buying sex, brothel ownership, and pimping, and that just 28% consider being a prostitute a normal job to hold like the term "sex work" implies it to be. And again, that's in a pretty liberal-minded political environment, globally speaking. I point it out because people here are treating me like I'm some kind of aberrant, dangerous freak of nature for holding a perfectly normal opinion that aligns with that of probably most of the world's population (and especially its women) on this subject. It's this community that holds the unusual opinions when it comes to matters like prostitution, not me. I may be a radical feminist, but you don't exactly have to be one to find prostitution problematic!

You're not getting it. My point in comparing prostitution and rape is that, once the transaction is made, the one party, for all intents and purposes, LOSES their free will, their bodily autonomy, and they DON'T typically enjoy it! I have but proposed that such a surrender should not be an option. That's not the same thing as taking away a woman's self-determination, but more like assuring it by removing the commercial factor. That's how I view it.

Do you similarly believe that other forms of consensual sex which utilizes unequal power dynamics such as bondage or S&M should also be outlawed?

Here lies the problem, not all sex workers are in a vulnerable mental-emotional state. If prostitution is "buying another person's body" then so is every other work. So I disagree with you both for moral and for practical reasons.

I know that world wide speaking most people would disagree with me but that's not really a argument.

Same can be said about every other work. Also if you legalise prostitution you can assure that sex workers don't have to do everything the customers want.

That's not how it works at all. They can stop at any time.  That's legally how it works.  

If you're in the middle of sex, you are free to leave at any time.  

Someone's consent is only given in the moment.  And it can be taken away at any moment.  

No, but I do think that they certainly shouldn't be encouraged or promoted.

(Fun aside: you'll never guess which sex almost always winds up playing the role of sadist and which one gets to be the masochist.)

To your first point, whenever you have to recourse to "not all X's..." as an argument, you are clearly employing a strawman. You're highlighting possible rare exceptional cases as though they were the rule. As I have pointed out, 70 to 90% of prostituted women are sexual abuse survivors.

1)To your first point, whenever you have to recourse to "not all X's..." as an argument, you are clearly employing a strawman. You're highlighting possible rare exceptional cases as though they were the rule. As I have pointed out, 70 to 90% of prostituted women are sexual abuse survivors.

2)To your second point (the one about the nature of capitalism), there are some problems that are intrinsic to capitalist economics (which I'm also not a big fan of for those who haven't noticed), I agree, BUT, as I was pointing out to coolbeans, there is handing a random stranger a burger through a drive-through window and then there is having sex with them on their terms and their terms only. Those are very different things that carry radically different volumes of mental-emotional weight. Can you at least recognize that much?

Do you have any research regarding your fun fact?

The small bits of information I found suggested that about 50% of the survey group participated in sadistic acts while 50% participated in masochistic acts (with some overlap). Breaking this down by gender, 69% of women said they participated in masochistic acts vs 51% of men, while 45% of women said they participated in sadistic acts compared to 53% of men. Both of those numbers are fairly similar. Further, in terms of arousal through sadomasochistic tendencies, it seems that men tend to score more highly in terms of arousal for both sadism and masochism, meaning men tend to both find more arousal in domination and being dominated.

It's looking like Trump let Epstein die just to cover his own ass, along with the asses of other rich and powerful pedophiles.

At this point I wouldn't put it past Trump to be a heartless pedophile himself, since he's clearly not above doing a thumbs up photo op with a baby orphaned by a mass shooting, a shooting he helped happen to begin with by the way.

1)Can you link me a study to those numbers? I'm not employing a strawman most Johns aren't sexually assaulting or raping their prostitutes they stick to what was agreed upon before the sex. Why should these people be criminalised.

2)that's the point, it's not "their terms and their terms only", law in germany says that prostitutes can stop with sex when ever they want.