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Machiavellian said:
tsogud said:

The evidence keeps mounting against Biden. Believe women, even when it's politically inconvenient. You can't beat evil with more evil.

"Now two more sources have come forward to corroborate certain details about Reade's claims. One of them — a former neighbor of Reade's — has told Insider for the first time, on the record, that Reade disclosed details about the alleged assault to her in the mid-1990s.

"This happened, and I know it did because I remember talking about it," Lynda LaCasse, who lived next door to Reade in the mid-'90s, told Insider.

The other source, Lorraine Sanchez, who worked with Reade in the office of a California state senator in the mid-'90s, told Insider that she recalls Reade complaining at the time that her former boss in Washington, DC, had sexually harassed her, and that she had been fired after raising concerns."

My stance on any allegations is that it must be decided in the courts.  Public opinion and evidence really doesn't have any weight unless we can get it all together in court.  Its my same stance against Trump.  Until all those allegation of rape and inappropriate behavior goes to court, its still just one person word over another.  I had 3 people wrongly accused of rape in my lifetime and until people are on the stand are we capable of getting to the truth.

Wow, that's actually despicable. I'm sorry that happened to those people, but I'm assuming in those instances they didn't have any evidence because it was a false accusation after all. Here we have even a Biden supporter revealing that Tara is telling the truth among other pieces of evidence. 

There have been numerous studies and reports on the topic of false rape accusations and only about 5% of rape accusations turn out to be false. So 9 times out of 10 the victim is telling the truth. So if you're a betting man, believing the victim first is the only logical and moral thing to do. By all means there can and should be a trial at a later date, but the important thing is to make it easier for victims of abuse to come forward.

Here are a few articles here, here and here discussing the matter.

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tsogud said:

What are the Democrats doing??? Literally handing Trump an excuse.

Just to show you what legally would happen:

Basically, the elections are enshrined in the Constitution, including when they happen and when the Mandates run out. And no, the President has no possibility to get around those. So, if no elections would happen, then either Nancy Pelosi would become President after January 20 (if the members of the House would simply get reappointed for another term without getting reelected) or Senator Pat Leahy from Vermont would become President pro tempore (Due to Governors reappointing Senate seats that expire - and there are more democrats than Republicans in that position, meaning the Democrats would become the leaders of the Senate if election were cancelled).

So either way, it would be a catastrophe for the Republicans, as they'd hand the election to the democrats on a silver platter and without a fight.

Oh, and if Leahy were to die in between now and the election? Then it would go to the now second-most senior democrat - Bernie Sanders (he caucuses with the democrats, so it would count)



Bofferbrauer2 said:
tsogud said:

What are the Democrats doing??? Literally handing Trump an excuse.

Just to show you what legally would happen:

Basically, the elections are enshrined in the Constitution, including when they happen and when the Mandates run out. And no, the President has no possibility to get around those. So, if no elections would happen, then either Nancy Pelosi would become President after January 20 (if the members of the House would simply get reappointed for another term without getting reelected) or Senator Pat Leahy from Vermont would become President pro tempore (Due to Governors reappointing Senate seats that expire - and there are more democrats than Republicans in that position, meaning the Democrats would become the leaders of the Senate if election were cancelled).

So either way, it would be a catastrophe for the Republicans, as they'd hand the election to the democrats on a silver platter and without a fight.

Oh, and if Leahy were to die in between now and the election? Then it would go to the now second-most senior democrat - Bernie Sanders (he caucuses with the democrats, so it would count)

It's voter suppression plain and simple. If you think Trump ain't gonna run with that you're sorely mistaken. Wrong move from the Democrats any way you slice it. Thank you for that though, that was very informative and appreciated.

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tsogud said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Just to show you what legally would happen:

Basically, the elections are enshrined in the Constitution, including when they happen and when the Mandates run out. And no, the President has no possibility to get around those. So, if no elections would happen, then either Nancy Pelosi would become President after January 20 (if the members of the House would simply get reappointed for another term without getting reelected) or Senator Pat Leahy from Vermont would become President pro tempore (Due to Governors reappointing Senate seats that expire - and there are more democrats than Republicans in that position, meaning the Democrats would become the leaders of the Senate if election were cancelled).

So either way, it would be a catastrophe for the Republicans, as they'd hand the election to the democrats on a silver platter and without a fight.

Oh, and if Leahy were to die in between now and the election? Then it would go to the now second-most senior democrat - Bernie Sanders (he caucuses with the democrats, so it would count)

It's voter suppression plain and simple. If you think Trump ain't gonna run with that you're sorely mistaken. Wrong move from the Democrats any way you slice it. Thank you for that though, that was very informative and appreciated.

Of course he's gonna run with that. It's just to show that he can't cancel the election in turn if he wanted to.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
tsogud said:

It's voter suppression plain and simple. If you think Trump ain't gonna run with that you're sorely mistaken. Wrong move from the Democrats any way you slice it. Thank you for that though, that was very informative and appreciated.

Of course he's gonna run with that. It's just to show that he can't cancel the election in turn if he wanted to.

I didn't say he was going to cancel it, I know the president doesn't have that power.



 

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tsogud said:
Machiavellian said:

My stance on any allegations is that it must be decided in the courts.  Public opinion and evidence really doesn't have any weight unless we can get it all together in court.  Its my same stance against Trump.  Until all those allegation of rape and inappropriate behavior goes to court, its still just one person word over another.  I had 3 people wrongly accused of rape in my lifetime and until people are on the stand are we capable of getting to the truth.

Wow, that's actually despicable. I'm sorry that happened to those people, but I'm assuming in those instances they didn't have any evidence because it was a false accusation after all. Here we have even a Biden supporter revealing that Tara is telling the truth among other pieces of evidence. 

There have been numerous studies and reports on the topic of false rape accusations and only about 5% of rape accusations turn out to be false. So 9 times out of 10 the victim is telling the truth. So if you're a betting man, believing the victim first is the only logical and moral thing to do. By all means there can and should be a trial at a later date, but the important thing is to make it easier for victims of abuse to come forward.

Here are a few articles here, here and here discussing the matter.

Most rape cases do not have any evidence.  Stats really do not mean anything until we can actually get this taken to court because you really have no clue if this is one of those situations.  I totally agree that making it easier to come forward should be something we seek but if the person does not have the courage, the court of public opinion isn't where it should be judged.  As a father, I have to have these types if talks with my daughter.  What do you do in a situation like this, how do you protect yourself,  How not to put yourself into a situation like this.  How to recognize you are in a situation etc.  Rape is a power accusation because usually a man is considered guilty in most people eyes without going to court.  Even if the person get acquitted, people will still believe something had to happen. This is why its hard to defend against such allegations even if you are innocent because people make up their minds that you are guilty without any thing to go on.  

If the only time we are going to hear about an issue is when a person is seeking power like Trump or Biden, then we need more than that.  Take their asses to court and let all the women come forward with their stories and whatever evidence they have have.  If not then its just a waste of time. 



tsogud said:
Machiavellian said:

My stance on any allegations is that it must be decided in the courts.  Public opinion and evidence really doesn't have any weight unless we can get it all together in court.  Its my same stance against Trump.  Until all those allegation of rape and inappropriate behavior goes to court, its still just one person word over another.  I had 3 people wrongly accused of rape in my lifetime and until people are on the stand are we capable of getting to the truth.

There have been numerous studies and reports on the topic of false rape accusations and only about 5% of rape accusations turn out to be false. So 9 times out of 10 the victim is telling the truth.

Prosecutors and Police 100% should take rape accusations very seriously and investigate them to the fullest of there ability.  The problem is when the general public start making a judgement before there a trial is what you saying is it acceptable for the 5% of men who falsely accuse to have there entire life ruined for something they are innocent of.  If society already judge you guilty even if at a later time a jury find you innocent it going to be next to impossible repair that stain on your reputation.

I not sure it so logical and morally right to ruin innocent lives with out first letting the entire process play out.  If am gambling and got a 95% chance to win if the stakes a few hundred bucks I make that bet every time.  If the stakes is my reputation for the rest of my life even if winning would give me a million dollars I probably still not make that bet.  The risk is just too high.

Everyone have to make there own decision in the end what they consider a acceptable level of casualties are.  I just don't think it as clear cut as you make it out to be.



Amash just announced a Libertarian run. Considering whats happening with Bidens accusations and his possibility dementia I'll wait to see Amashs platform.



Don't understand how many claim Biden won fair and square. The media was ready to lit Bernie on fire because of Lying Liz mild allegations. It was brought up in every conversation, every interview, and was portrayed as the truth by many TV shows including the clueless women of the View. Let's compare this to how seriously these allegation are being taken and how much outcry had to happen before it got picked up by MSM in the first place. 

And that's just one example, the MSM largely opposed Bernie and let Biden off the hook on every single issue. Will never understand how some continue to pretend Biden won a fair game.



LurkerJ said:

Don't understand how many claim Biden won fair and square. The media was ready to lit Bernie on fire because of Lying Liz mild allegations. It was brought up in every conversation, every interview, and was portrayed as the truth by many TV shows including the clueless women of the View. Let's compare this to how seriously these allegation are being taken and how much outcry had to happen before it got picked up by MSM in the first place. 

And that's just one example, the MSM largely opposed Bernie and let Biden off the hook on every single issue. Will never understand how some continue to pretend Biden won a fair game.

So what you are saying is that Bernie did not get the same type of reporting as Biden and thus everyone is playing politics.  So as a people, we are to assume Biden is guilty from a 27 year allegation without having it go to any court or properly investigated.  What I see is politics being played on both sides and what you are doing is playing into the same situation.  Unless Reade is willing to take this to court and let it all hang on the line, its a waste of all our time.  We have no way to determine who is telling the truth and coming out 27 years after the fact makes it even more difficult.