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Never got the hate for OR/AS. Are people still salty about the battle frontier? It was a Ruby/Sapphire remake, not an Emerald remake.

edit: OR/AS is head and shoulders above all the other 3DS Pokemon games.



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Nautilus said:
MasonADC said:

I still don’t see the whole brainwash thing, but whatever. And that xenoblade comparison isn’t the best, considering that they literally just finished working on a huge open world home console game before 2. Also, xenoblade 2 wasn’t exactly the best quality on release, so yeah. GF could outsource a whole studio to help with Pokémon to be super ambitious, but why should they? Don’t get me wrong, I would love an ambitious PKMN game, but it isn’t needed. Criticism is fine, but certain ones still aren’t

But thats the whole point.Its not a matter of if its needed or not.If Gamefreak really wanted, they could have made a pokemon with a DS-like graphic style for the 3DS or even the Switch, call it a "retro-style graphics" or whatnot, and it would have still made a killing.

We are not discussing business here.We are discussing what would be the best for the game as a game.And thats not it.And XC 2 was excellent on release, or it wouldnt have sold more than 1 million in the first month, basically selling more than any Xenoblade LT sales in one measly month.And certainly wouldnt have the legs to reach 2 million, which is what it seems it will reach.

And how come you dont see the "brainwash thing"?You just admited to "Don’t get me wrong, I would love an ambitious PKMN game", but you are still more than fine with Sword and Shield.This is the ddefinition of classical conditioning.You were trained to expect, throughout the decades of playing the same kind of Pokemon experiences, a game that wasnt pushing anything.

I would love an ambitious PMKN game, I love the game we seem to be getting now. You know what I wouldn’t love? The 5 year wait it would take to get the ambitious game and the filler that would come from it in the anime. It’s not like the PKMN games we are getting now are bad games. Would an ambitious, open world, gorgeous PKMN game be better than Sword and Sheild? It’s not certain, but maybe. But would it be worth it? As a fan, I’m not sure if it would be worth it too me. What I meant by xenoblade having some issues on releases day, not that it was a bad game 



flashfire926 said:
Never got the hate for OR/AS. Are people still salty about the battle frontier? It was a Ruby/Sapphire remake, not an Emerald remake.

People also said they messed up the soundtrack, but I’m not sure I agree 



MasonADC said:
flashfire926 said:
Never got the hate for OR/AS. Are people still salty about the battle frontier? It was a Ruby/Sapphire remake, not an Emerald remake.

People also said they messed up the soundtrack, but I’m not sure I agree 

That's outright false. The decision to get rid of the trumpets was awesome, since they got annoying quick.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

MasonADC said:
Nautilus said:

But thats the whole point.Its not a matter of if its needed or not.If Gamefreak really wanted, they could have made a pokemon with a DS-like graphic style for the 3DS or even the Switch, call it a "retro-style graphics" or whatnot, and it would have still made a killing.

We are not discussing business here.We are discussing what would be the best for the game as a game.And thats not it.And XC 2 was excellent on release, or it wouldnt have sold more than 1 million in the first month, basically selling more than any Xenoblade LT sales in one measly month.And certainly wouldnt have the legs to reach 2 million, which is what it seems it will reach.

And how come you dont see the "brainwash thing"?You just admited to "Don’t get me wrong, I would love an ambitious PKMN game", but you are still more than fine with Sword and Shield.This is the ddefinition of classical conditioning.You were trained to expect, throughout the decades of playing the same kind of Pokemon experiences, a game that wasnt pushing anything.

I would love an ambitious PMKN game, I love the game we seem to be getting now. You know what I wouldn’t love? The 5 year wait it would take to get the ambitious game and the filler that would come from it in the anime. It’s not like the PKMN games we are getting now are bad games. Would an ambitious, open world, gorgeous PKMN game be better than Sword and Sheild? It’s not certain, but maybe. But would it be worth it? As a fan, I’m not sure if it would be worth it too me. What I meant by xenoblade having some issues on releases day, not that it was a bad game 

As I said, I do understand where you are comming from.But at the same time, dont be upset at people that dont share your view.

I would take a Pokemon that would take 5 or 6 years to make over a game that is released every two or 3 years any day.There is a reason why Zelda and Mario are so beloved, more than 30 years after their debut.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Nautilus said:
MasonADC said:

I would love an ambitious PMKN game, I love the game we seem to be getting now. You know what I wouldn’t love? The 5 year wait it would take to get the ambitious game and the filler that would come from it in the anime. It’s not like the PKMN games we are getting now are bad games. Would an ambitious, open world, gorgeous PKMN game be better than Sword and Sheild? It’s not certain, but maybe. But would it be worth it? As a fan, I’m not sure if it would be worth it too me. What I meant by xenoblade having some issues on releases day, not that it was a bad game 

As I said, I do understand where you are comming from.But at the same time, dont be upset at people that dont share your view.

I would take a Pokemon that would take 5 or 6 years to make over a game that is released every two or 3 years any day.There is a reason why Zelda and Mario are so beloved, more than 30 years after their debut.

Pokémon is so beloved, 23 years after it’s debut as well 



Nautilus said:
MasonADC said:

I would love an ambitious PMKN game, I love the game we seem to be getting now. You know what I wouldn’t love? The 5 year wait it would take to get the ambitious game and the filler that would come from it in the anime. It’s not like the PKMN games we are getting now are bad games. Would an ambitious, open world, gorgeous PKMN game be better than Sword and Sheild? It’s not certain, but maybe. But would it be worth it? As a fan, I’m not sure if it would be worth it too me. What I meant by xenoblade having some issues on releases day, not that it was a bad game 

As I said, I do understand where you are comming from.But at the same time, dont be upset at people that dont share your view.

I would take a Pokemon that would take 5 or 6 years to make over a game that is released every two or 3 years any day.There is a reason why Zelda and Mario are so beloved, more than 30 years after their debut.

And a lot of the issues with development could have been solved if another team with more HD experience had helped with the development.  Monoliftsoft helped with the development of both Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild for the Zelda series.  If Gamefreak asked they could have helped with Pokemon as well.



h2ohno said:
Nautilus said:

As I said, I do understand where you are comming from.But at the same time, dont be upset at people that dont share your view.

I would take a Pokemon that would take 5 or 6 years to make over a game that is released every two or 3 years any day.There is a reason why Zelda and Mario are so beloved, more than 30 years after their debut.

And a lot of the issues with development could have been solved if another team with more HD experience had helped with the development.  Monoliftsoft helped with the development of both Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild for the Zelda series.  If Gamefreak asked they could have helped with Pokemon as well.

Exactly.And yet they dont.Thats what dissapoints me.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

spemanig said:
mZuzek said:

Well, you know why they don't do it, of course. Having a second analog stick means more work on them and it means they'll have to actually expand their knowledge of game development. Since this is Game Freak we're talking about, well.

As for remakes... I'm not sure they'll keep on doing them, but then again, with the influx of generation 4 kids on the internet, I guess even those have become beloved classics (ewww) that could warrant a remake. If they do keep coming, then I'm happy Unova and Kalos remakes will look even better than this, those games were awesome (then again OR/AS was garbage so I'm concerned about them screwing up more of these).

Yeah... ORAS doesn't make me confident for a Sinnoh remake, but I've given up on expecting anything special from GF. In many ways, I hope Sinnoh skips this gen with Let's Go serving as the remakes. On the other hand, ORAS tells me that perhaps a Platinum remake should be left in my imagination.

I get that you don't like the Sinnoh games, but they feel like the last games with a geographically complex region traversal wise. It would really bum me out if we didn't get at least one of those regions done to scale. The Unova games are, to me, the last competent Pokemon games, but they started the rapid streamlining of exploration we have now. S/S look like the same thing, so I feel like after the Sinnoh remakes, we'll literally never get a Pokemon game designed the way I like them again. Short of a BotW-style reboot. Which I don't ever see happening, frankly.

Yeah, I'm no fan of the Sinnoh games, but if anything they would benefit the most from a (well-done) remake, since the biggest issue with them was gen 4's sluggish gameplay. I'd be quite okay with gen 4 remakes.

flashfire926 said:

Never got the hate for OR/AS. Are people still salty about the battle frontier? It was a Ruby/Sapphire remake, not an Emerald remake.

edit: OR/AS is head and shoulders above all the other 3DS Pokemon games.

I personally hate it for two reasons:

1. they fucked the soundtrack really bad. Like, not HG/SS level where it was only a few songs they fucked up, no. The whole soundtrack was fucked up. Memorable songs like Team Aqua/Magma Battle, Route 113, Route 120 and many more were completely and utterly destroyed by new arrangements that sounded completely sterile and devoid of any real emotion or impact. The music felt utterly bland and generic, all of it, and that's a stark contrast coming from gen 3's original soundtrack which was anything but that - it was iconic and memorable, even if not always great. Annoying or not, trumpets were a defining feature of Hoenn and getting rid of them got rid of most of that game's essence. That said, there are a handful of good remixes in OR/AS, such as Archie/Maxie's theme and Route 111. But the vast majority of it was ruined.

2. the story. I mean, they didn't need to do much - most people would agree R/S/E's story wasn't exactly the greatest thing ever, but at least it was never a nuisance. It was just kinda there. OR/AS, though? They really went all out in shoehorning story beats into literally every single thing you do, and when all of it was terribly written and full of cringy moments, it just ruined the whole game.

See, this was the approach in the original games:
Wanna enjoy Pokémon Contests? Cool, enter the building and go have fun. If you don't want to, just don't.
Wanna catch elusive legendaries? Cool, when you get everything you need, just go after them, if you want.
Did you just so happen to save the world? Yeah, I guess you did just so happen to save the world. Crazy how things go, right?

Meanwhile, this was the approach in OR/AS:
Wanna enjoy Pokémon Contests? Of course you do, you clearly have a natural talent for them! Here, let's force you into it!
Wanna catch elusive legendaries? Of course you do, after all Latias/Latios needs a friend and you're exactly who they're looking for! Here, try coming to their place and being forced into catching him/her! And if you want Rayquaza too, well it's no problem, you were also its chosen one despite the fact that you're some 10-year-old foreigner kid who has nothing to do with the traditional culture it's associated with!
Did you just so happen to save the world? Of course not. You were the chosen one to do it, no one else could've! You are the best trainer ever, how about we also force you into a super cringy relationship with May/Brendan just to show how amazing you are?

 

I hope you understand now.

Last edited by mZuzek - on 28 February 2019

MasonADC said:
Nautilus said:

As I said, I do understand where you are comming from.But at the same time, dont be upset at people that dont share your view.

I would take a Pokemon that would take 5 or 6 years to make over a game that is released every two or 3 years any day.There is a reason why Zelda and Mario are so beloved, more than 30 years after their debut.

Pokémon is so beloved, 23 years after it’s debut as well 

Correction:Gen 1 and maybe gen 2 are really beloved.The rest is just grouped together.Just go out and see what are the usual pokemons that are used for marketing:Pikachu, Charizard, Eevee, Squirtle.And so on.Not only that, but only the mainline pokemon games sell well(and their remakes, which are based on mainline games).Most mario games, spin off or not, sell well.You get where I am going with this.

But Ill admit that pokemon is an oddity in the sense on how well it has survived without basically doing anything new.Its probably nostalgia mixed with the pleasure of capturing creatures, which Pokemon basically pioneered.And thats what makes me so sad that its stuck in the past.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1