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Bofferbrauer2 said:
forevercloud3000 said:

So I find it kind of annoying the number of articles in the past 6 months that drone over how Gamepass is a game changer and Sony needs a response to it. Its just funny because Gamepass was MS's reply to Sony's already established PS NOW service. Just like Cross Play functionality, and Mid Gen Upgraded Hardware the media seems to rally behind Microsoft for doing what Sony had initially established. Take a look.....

Playstation Now

-service has over 700 games ready to stream

-Available on PS4, PC, Soon to return to Phones

-Mostly Stream, but just added ability to download select games directly

 

GamePass

-250 games available

-Available on XB1, soon PC, with Strong rumors of Switch 

-Currently is only download

 

Say what you will about which is the better service; PSNOW being stream only leaves it at the whim of internet speeds and other bandwidth issues. Gamepass has stable downloads to play on XB1 but this raises the question, how will this service work for next gen and their plan to touch other devices? STREAMING is the only answer to that, as you cannot play native games coded for other consoles. So PSNow is actually ahead of the curve for what is supposed to be MS's master plan with the service. Yet PSNOW also sports more than double the games available than Gamepass and makes a shit ton more money then anyone seems to be giving it credit for....

 

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2018/11/playstation_now_is_the_biggest_gaming_subscription_service

 

https://www.superdataresearch.com/gaming-subscription/

 

 

PSNow earned around $143 Million out of the total $273 Million made in Game Subscriptions in 2018

 

With this information, why pray tell does the Media keep pretending MS is leading this charge on Subscription/Stream gaming?

 

Is it because of the information of their Server Farms? Because all of that sounds good on paper but completely untested. I am not a tech expert, but as long as only half of the US has internet and US internet consistency remains dodgy I don't see even MS's High tech stream capability shirking the same issues PSNow has.

@bolded: And that's the major issue, try getting stable, fast internet in rural areas. Also, it can consume data caps pretty fast. Being able to download the games is much better for most people.

Second issue is 720p30fps only, no matter if the original game was 1080p60 or anything in between, so most PS4 titles take a visual hit on PSNow. Finally, it's much more expensive than the Game Pass.

The reason why PSNow made more money should be obvious to anybody: PSNow is available on PS4 and PC, while Gamepass only on XBO. Also, PSNow is much older. In fact, for being so much longer on the market and having a much larger potential customer base, PSNow earnings are actually almost pitiful. Considering the cost of the service, it equals to little more than 1M subscribers

Exactly, PSNow has been available for almost 5 full years. Sony has a paltry 1 million subscribers? No way to use the service on smartphones or tablets or smart TVs? 

They are not serious about this at all and have purposefully held the service back because they don't want it to interfere with the traditional business model. 

The problem is Microsoft doesn't a give a fuck about any of that, they are thinking about being the dominant player in the battle for the cloud with Google and Amazon, and they want to have the dominant streaming game service more than they want some cookie for beating the Playstation in game consoles. 



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zorg1000 said:

Game Pass is on PC

Thanks, I had no idea, but even than, GamePass isn't a Streaming service. Its a gaming App. As someone mentioned afterwards, xCloud is the PSNow's future competitor not GamePass.

Pemalite said:

You can stream Gamepass titles to PC via the Windows 10 Xbox app I think... You still need a console to do the heavy lifting/rendering though.

Thanks, I wasn't too sure if this was available on PC, but it does defeat the purpose a little if you have to own a X1 to allow it. 



Soundwave said:

PSNow is a lame service.

No support on tablet or smartphone.

They had an app for smart TVs, that they actually cancelled and stopped supporting.

Little to no new release content, wasn't even PS4 content until recently.

Sony is not serious about this, they value the traditional market too much so they are handcuffed in what they can do with PSNow.

Microsoft does not have the same limitations or priorities. You'll be able to play new games on xCloud on your phone, tablet, smart TV, PC, Switch, or XBox wherever and when ever you want, xCloud is going to be a much better service that MS is putting all their weight behind not just a token effort. 

That's a bit harsh, I mean if Sony wasnt serious like you claim than why did they recently start offering PS4 content? If they didnt care than wouldnt they have just kept it to previous systems?

It was once available on PS3, Vita, PSTV and select Smart TVs & Blu-Ray players but they trimmed the fat and got rid of it on devices where it wasnt being used hence why it's just on PS4 & PC now.



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Pemalite said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Gamepass has stable downloads to play on XB1 but this raises the question, how will this service work for next gen and their plan to touch other devices? STREAMING is the only answer to that, as you cannot play native games coded for other consoles. So PSNow is actually ahead of the curve for what is supposed to be MS's master plan with the service

For starters... There is this thing called "Virtualization", "Binary Translation", "Abstraction" and "Emulation" that allows for Microsofts current backwards compatibility efforts to be a drop in on next-gen hardware/other devices with minimal effort.

forevercloud3000 said:

PSNow earned around $143 Million out of the total $273 Million made in Game Subscriptions in 2018w has.

Of course that's going to happen. Sony has a larger piece of the console market than Microsoft.

Azzanation said:
PSNow and GamePass are different services at the current rate. PSNow is a Streaming service on multiple devices while GamePass is exclusive to the Xbox One from what I know of. However the big difference with the two is that PSNow is a standard Streaming services while GamePass will most likely become a Streaming service that connects to XCloud that would (Should) offer premium Streaming abilities.

You can stream Gamepass titles to PC via the Windows 10 Xbox app I think... You still need a console to do the heavy lifting/rendering though.

1. They will not be able to have Gamepass games running natively on PC or Switch, meaning Streaming is how that will work. So going forward, being able to natively download for non dedicated hardware is a moot point in this space.

2.And why would we/should we expect anything of the current status quo to change? Having a head start will definitely help them cement a foot in this space. And Hardware numbers of PS4 only tell part of the story of subscribers. This is supposed to be on multiple devices remember. 



      

      

      

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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

PSNow is a lame service.

No support on tablet or smartphone.

They had an app for smart TVs, that they actually cancelled and stopped supporting.

Little to no new release content, wasn't even PS4 content until recently.

Sony is not serious about this, they value the traditional market too much so they are handcuffed in what they can do with PSNow.

Microsoft does not have the same limitations or priorities. You'll be able to play new games on xCloud on your phone, tablet, smart TV, PC, Switch, or XBox wherever and when ever you want, xCloud is going to be a much better service that MS is putting all their weight behind not just a token effort. 

That's a bit harsh, I mean if Sony wasnt serious like you claim than why did they recently start offering PS4 content? If they didnt care than wouldnt they have just kept it to previous systems?

It was once available on PS3, Vita, PSTV and select Smart TVs & Blu-Ray players but they trimmed the fat and got rid of it on devices where it wasnt being used hence why it's just on PS4 & PC now.

Well I mean you just said it right ... they just recently started offering PS4 content ... that's ridiculous, lol. There was no technical reason to not offer that years ago. 

The whole point of streaming services, and MS gets this is about letting people play where they want, how they want, when they want. 

xCloud will be on smartphone, tablet, smart TV, PC, XBox, Switch ... Sony really didn't want to do this because they don't want a streaming service getting too popular. If it does, then really what does one need a PS5 for. They've held PSNow back/purposefully gimped it for years. 

MS simply isn't beholden to those rules. They don't have the same success with the traditional game market, so they don't really have much attachment to seeing it burn. 



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Azzanation said:

zorg1000 said:

Game Pass is on PC

Thanks, I had no idea, but even than, GamePass isn't a Streaming service. Its a gaming App. As someone mentioned afterwards, xCloud is the PSNow's future competitor not GamePass.

I assume xCloud will be integrated into Game Pass.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
forevercloud3000 said: 

Say what you will about which is the better service; PSNOW being stream only leaves it at the whim of internet speeds and other bandwidth issues. Gamepass has stable downloads to play on XB1 but this raises the question, how will this service work for next gen and their plan to touch other devices? STREAMING is the only answer to that, as you cannot play native games coded for other consoles. So PSNow is actually ahead of the curve for what is supposed to be MS's master plan with the service. Yet PSNOW also sports more than double the games available than Gamepass and makes a shit ton more money then anyone seems to be giving it credit for....

 

@bolded: And that's the major issue, try getting stable, fast internet in rural areas. Also, it can consume data caps pretty fast. Being able to download the games is much better for most people.

Second issue is 720p30fps only, no matter if the original game was 1080p60 or anything in between, so most PS4 titles take a visual hit on PSNow. Finally, it's much more expensive than the Game Pass.

The reason why PSNow made more money should be obvious to anybody: PSNow is available on PS4 and PC, while Gamepass only on XBO. Also, PSNow is much older. In fact, for being so much longer on the market and having a much larger potential customer base, PSNow earnings are actually almost pitiful. Considering the cost of the service, it equals to little more than 1M subscribers

My point is GamePass purpose is to eventually lead into Streaming(to be on more than just Xbox) which PSNow has beaten it to the punch in that regard. Not to mention, Sony added the ability to directly download a large portion of the games just like XB1 so that is a moot point.

The quality disparity could def be a big factor...but I question how much.  As Sony just said in their Keynote they had a week ago, average consumers do not look at games in pixel ratios. Sure, they latch on to the buzz words but mostly they just want to be able to have the experience for the cheapest and most unhindered.  Most of the kids playing on PC are using dated monitors and hardware by Elite Pro standards. Phones and Switch also are not sporting 4K visuals and why would they need to? People will go with what has more of perceived value, usually quality vs Price. 

PSNow can be the inferior performing streaming service....but if it is the service with more games and more exclusives on the devices that people predominantly own......then it can maintain it's lead. Not to mention no matter what MS does, their service will not have Sony exclusives which are likely a service seller and decider.



      

      

      

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Soundwave said:
zorg1000 said:

That's a bit harsh, I mean if Sony wasnt serious like you claim than why did they recently start offering PS4 content? If they didnt care than wouldnt they have just kept it to previous systems?

It was once available on PS3, Vita, PSTV and select Smart TVs & Blu-Ray players but they trimmed the fat and got rid of it on devices where it wasnt being used hence why it's just on PS4 & PC now.

Well I mean you just said it right ... they just recently started offering PS4 content ... that's ridiculous, lol. There was no technical reason to not offer that years ago. 

Youre missing my point. You're right that they could/should have added it earlier but if they didnt care and didnt want it to succeed than why are  they trying to add value to it? If they didnt care than they would have just left PS4 games off of it forever.

They also just announced last month that the service is coming later this year to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Finland & Sweden. Kind of weird to add regions to the service you dont want to succeed.



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forevercloud3000 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

@bolded: And that's the major issue, try getting stable, fast internet in rural areas. Also, it can consume data caps pretty fast. Being able to download the games is much better for most people.

Second issue is 720p30fps only, no matter if the original game was 1080p60 or anything in between, so most PS4 titles take a visual hit on PSNow. Finally, it's much more expensive than the Game Pass.

The reason why PSNow made more money should be obvious to anybody: PSNow is available on PS4 and PC, while Gamepass only on XBO. Also, PSNow is much older. In fact, for being so much longer on the market and having a much larger potential customer base, PSNow earnings are actually almost pitiful. Considering the cost of the service, it equals to little more than 1M subscribers

My point is GamePass purpose is to eventually lead into Streaming(to be on more than just Xbox) which PSNow has beaten it to the punch in that regard. Not to mention, Sony added the ability to directly download a large portion of the games just like XB1 so that is a moot point.

The quality disparity could def be a big factor...but I question how much.  As Sony just said in their Keynote they had a week ago, average consumers do not look at games in pixel ratios. Sure, they latch on to the buzz words but mostly they just want to be able to have the experience for the cheapest and most unhindered.  Most of the kids playing on PC are using dated monitors and hardware by Elite Pro standards. Phones and Switch also are not sporting 4K visuals and why would they need to? People will go with what has more of perceived value, usually quality vs Price. 

PSNow can be the inferior performing streaming service....but if it is the service with more games and more exclusives on the devices that people predominantly own......then it can maintain it's lead. Not to mention no matter what MS does, their service will not have Sony exclusives which are likely a service seller and decider.

Sony is going to get trampled, if not by MS, by Amazon or Google. 

They are small potatoes compared to those companies and they have a major conflict of interest with streaming becoming too good. They can't make the service too good because then the problem is a lot of people will start to ask why they even need a PS5. MS doesn't really care if you buy a physical XBox or not. Obviously Google or Amazon don't care. That's a huge difference. 

For a 5 year old service PSNow is very poor. How is it they don't even have support for smartphones or tablets? What decade are they in? 2002? 



Because it keeps being said,

Is there any version of the universe where any of us expect Project xCloud and Gamepass to be two seperate entities? I am feeling like it goes without saying that they will be merged into each other. That seems counter productive to have them be separate.



      

      

      

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