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GOW is awesome. If anyone haven't played it yet then you should go get it.



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RaptorChrist said:
Sorry, but this seems kind of pointless for a multitude of reasons. Hear me out:

How many publications award a Game of the Year? I would imagine that in any given year, there are a small handful of games that receive almost all of the awards. This means that getting the majority of the GotY awards would be influenced heavily based on what other games came out in that year.

Also, notice how just about every game on the list is a relatively new game. Why no Final Fantasy 7? Where's A Link to the Past? Because back then there weren't even close to the number of publications as there are today.

What qualifies a source as credible enough to make this list? Did my GotY vote count?

Maybe organizing this list based on the percentage of awards would be a more interesting metric, but still wouldn't ultimately give an accurate comparison among games that came out in different years.

Not trying to be a hater. I would assume that most of the people on these boards are intelligent enough to notice this themselves, but this is the sort of thing that results in misinformation.

I was just about to post about the number of sites per year and whether they grow or shrink being taken into account with a percentage being put after the games ranking, then I saw your post. while I'm not as critical as you and I see the older games being a casualty of most of these GOTY sites being internet based  so fairly new , The sites  behind this most likely come from under the umbrella of organizations like the dice awards , but a notice of criteria under  the heading would help.

Last edited by mjk45 - on 14 February 2019

So many GOTY awards givin out. Very soon we Will start seeing games winning 300+ and than 400+
The award has become so saturated i stopped caring.
Credit to those games in the top 10 but for me, the awards have lost alot of meaning for me.

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Azzanation said:

So many GOTY awards givin out. Very soon we Will start seeing games winning 300+ and than 400+
The award has become so saturated i stopped caring.
Credit to those games in the top 10 but for me, the awards have lost alot of meaning for me.

The number of a awards this year and last year is actually down on lot compared to years gone by so fear not! 



Comparing absolute numbers based on relative situations is the most absurd thing i've seen..

You can't compare a number based on the total of GOTY's "X game" won in a year compared to the number "Y game" won in other year, because the success of the game is relative to competition.

In other words, RDR 2 could have won 350 goty's if the competion of the year was Watch Dogs, SW Battelfront 2 and The Order 1886. And then in another year, in that same year have The Witcher III winning 115 goty's, Zelda BOTW winning 114 goty's and GOW winning 113 goty's. That wouldn't mean RDR 2 is a better game than any of those. It would be absolutely unfair to these other games that had a way harder competition to be rewarded by a GOTY.

I have this same problem when in a sport a player is considered better than other from another age because he did "better" numbers or won more titles. You can't compare that because both are not competing in the same space against the same competiton. Rules change, competition change, rivals change, expectations change.....in conclusion it'absurd.

So winning more GOTY's or having a better %s doesn't mean anything if all the games that you want to compare are not evaluated in the exact same circumstances.



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colafitte said:
Comparing absolute numbers based on relative situations is the most absurd thing i've seen..

You can't compare a number based on the total of GOTY's "X game" won in a year compared to the number "Y game" won in other year, because the success of the game is relative to competition.

In other words, RDR 2 could have won 350 goty's if the competion of the year was Watch Dogs, SW Battelfront 2 and The Order 1886. And then in another year, in that same year have The Witcher III winning 115 goty's, Zelda BOTW winning 114 goty's and GOW winning 113 goty's. That wouldn't mean RDR 2 is a better game than any of those. It would be absolutely unfair to these other games that had a way harder competition to be rewarded by a GOTY.

I have this same problem when in a sport a player is considered better than other from another age because he did "better" numbers or won more titles. You can't compare that because both are not competing in the same space against the same competiton. Rules change, competition change, rivals change, expectations change.....in conclusion it'absurd.

So winning more GOTY's or having a better %s doesn't mean anything if all the games that you want to compare are not evaluated in the exact same circumstances.

Spot on. Nothing against the awards but 1 game winning more one year doesnt reflect the full story. Competition is the point here. Looking at the top10 graph most games these days win more than 100+ GOTY awards and thats due to oversatuation in the awards that play a roll in it.

Some of the best games ever made only won dozen GOTY awards and by default the 2019 GOTY will surpass them by easily winning more than 50 to 100 awards due to the quantity of publishers out there.



Kerotan said:
Azzanation said:

So many GOTY awards givin out. Very soon we Will start seeing games winning 300+ and than 400+
The award has become so saturated i stopped caring.
Credit to those games in the top 10 but for me, the awards have lost alot of meaning for me.

The number of a awards this year and last year is actually down on lot compared to years gone by so fear not! 

How do we know this?



colafitte said:
Comparing absolute numbers based on relative situations is the most absurd thing i've seen..

You can't compare a number based on the total of GOTY's "X game" won in a year compared to the number "Y game" won in other year, because the success of the game is relative to competition.

In other words, RDR 2 could have won 350 goty's if the competion of the year was Watch Dogs, SW Battelfront 2 and The Order 1886. And then in another year, in that same year have The Witcher III winning 115 goty's, Zelda BOTW winning 114 goty's and GOW winning 113 goty's. That wouldn't mean RDR 2 is a better game than any of those. It would be absolutely unfair to these other games that had a way harder competition to be rewarded by a GOTY.

I have this same problem when in a sport a player is considered better than other from another age because he did "better" numbers or won more titles. You can't compare that because both are not competing in the same space against the same competiton. Rules change, competition change, rivals change, expectations change.....in conclusion it'absurd.

So winning more GOTY's or having a better %s doesn't mean anything if all the games that you want to compare are not evaluated in the exact same circumstances.

The problem with the idea of of "fairness" is that it simply doesn't work like that. Just because a game may/may not have seen more competition for GOTY in a given year does not mean it wouldn't have still retained the number of GOTY totals that it did. Example: "If The Last Of Us hadn't gone up against GTA V, it may have won even more GOTY awards". Well, you just can't know that. What if the PS3 had launched at $399? Guaranteed victory over the Wii? You can "what if" till the sky turns pink, but that doesn't make this comparison any less valid.

Games get counted relative to the time. I see nothing wrong with that. Otherwise, Ocarina of Time's 99 Metascore should hold less weight than God of War's 94, right?

It just doesn't work like that.

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CGI-Quality said:
colafitte said:
Comparing absolute numbers based on relative situations is the most absurd thing i've seen..

You can't compare a number based on the total of GOTY's "X game" won in a year compared to the number "Y game" won in other year, because the success of the game is relative to competition.

In other words, RDR 2 could have won 350 goty's if the competion of the year was Watch Dogs, SW Battelfront 2 and The Order 1886. And then in another year, in that same year have The Witcher III winning 115 goty's, Zelda BOTW winning 114 goty's and GOW winning 113 goty's. That wouldn't mean RDR 2 is a better game than any of those. It would be absolutely unfair to these other games that had a way harder competition to be rewarded by a GOTY.

I have this same problem when in a sport a player is considered better than other from another age because he did "better" numbers or won more titles. You can't compare that because both are not competing in the same space against the same competiton. Rules change, competition change, rivals change, expectations change.....in conclusion it'absurd.

So winning more GOTY's or having a better %s doesn't mean anything if all the games that you want to compare are not evaluated in the exact same circumstances.

The problem with the idea of of "fairness" is that it actually holds less weight than you're giving it. Just because a game may/may not have seen more competition for GOTY in a given year does not mean it wouldn't have still retained the number of GOTY totals that it did. Example: "If The Last Of Us hadn't gone up against GTA V, it may have won even more GOTY awards". Well, you just can't know that. What if the PS3 had launched at $399? Guaranteed victory over the Wii? You can "what if" till the sky turns pink, but that doesn't make this comparison any less valid.

Thus, unless you plan to have this view every time a game reaches this point, it is a pointless complaint to make. Games get counted relative to the time. 

The Last of Us is my favorite game ever and GOW is my game of the gen, and i still think these comparisons are absurd. You receive an award based in a pool of candidates to receive that award. If i'm an athelete that runs 100m and my time is 10'50 segs, i'm going to win against anybody that is not a professional athlete, and i will win many races, but if a compete against professional olympic athletes i'm going to be dead last.

Game of the Year is an award that identify the best game from a selection of the games that launched in a specific year, so the game that wins can't be separted from the rest of games that don't win. GOW it's game of the year 2019 against RDR2, AC Odyssey, Spiderman, Smash Bros, etc.......but only against them, not against TW3 or BOTW. I'm not "what if" anything. What i'm saying is that the only thing that you can compare is the games that participated in the same circumstances for the GOTY in 2019. Saying GOW surpassed Zelda BOTW for the most GOTY of the gen is more entering in the "what if" scenario than my opinion, because what you're doing here is "what if we compare how many GOTY's won the game that won the most from 2019 against any other from this gen?". What i'm saying is....don't do that.

All of this only serve for curious coincidences, but this thread is called "GOW becomes the most critically awarded this gen" and that is the kind of half truth that i always rant against. In this case, even if it's against my favorite game of the year.

Edit: now i see your edit

Games get counted relative to the time. I see nothing wrong with that. Otherwise, Ocarina of Time's 99 Metascore should hold less weight than God of War's 94, right? 

It just doesn't work like that.

 

 

Of course i agree on that, i'm not saying games don't get counted relative to the time. I'm not discussing this. I'm not arguing the metascore a game receives. I'm discussing the number of gotys. It's absurd to compare the, what, 15-20 GOTY? Ocarina of Time received back in 98 to any game that comes in 2019. But you don't have to go that far. The point is that you can't compare the value of an individual if is not compared to the colective. Anything is relative. So comparing to relative numbers don't give you an absolute or a fact, at least in the way this thread was created. 

Last edited by colafitte - on 14 February 2019