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potato_hamster said:
SKMBlake said:

Not that much.

 

And your whole point about how "old ports aren't good 3rd party presence on Switch" is wrong. Yeah, Fallout 76 isn't on the Switch but Diablo III is. Guess which one gamers wants to play more.

What are the odds it pushed more than Dark Souls and Diablo 3 did combined?

Almost none, I don't think anyone bought a PS4/Xbox One just to play Fallout 76. But there were Diablo III bundle so I guess it was sold to some people.



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SKMBlake said:
potato_hamster said:

What are the odds it pushed more than Dark Souls and Diablo 3 did combined?

Almost none, I don't think anyone bought a PS4/Xbox One just to play Fallout 76. But there were Diablo III bundle so I guess it was sold to some people.

"It" was referring to Kingdom Hearts 3, not Fallout 76. I really doubt that Fallout76 would have pushed that many consoles even if it was actually a quality game, since you know, Fallout 4 already happened.

But just curious, why did you mention Fallout 76 in your example, and not Red Dead Redemption 2?

Last edited by potato_hamster - on 05 February 2019

potato_hamster said:
SKMBlake said:

Not that much.

 

And your whole point about how "old ports aren't good 3rd party presence on Switch" is wrong. Yeah, Fallout 76 isn't on the Switch but Diablo III is. Guess which one gamers wants to play more.

What are the odds it pushed more than Dark Souls and Diablo 3 did combined?

People might not want to play Fallout 76, but I noticed you didn't mention Red Dead Redemption 2, or Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto V to name a few. Why is that?

Why are you focusing on single titles being system sellers? A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform.

I feel like almost every time i see you talk about Switch you bring up how it doesnt have any 3rd party system sellers so I have to ask, why does it matter?



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potato_hamster said:
SKMBlake said:

Almost none, I don't think anyone bought a PS4/Xbox One just to play Fallout 76. But there were Diablo III bundle so I guess it was sold to some people.

"It" was referring to Kingdom Hearts 3, not Fallout 76. I really doubt that Fallout76 would have pushed that many consoles anyways, since you know, Fallout 4 already happened.

But just curious, why did you mention Fallout 76 in your example, and not Red Dead Redemption 2?

Well when KH3 was released, it sold on par with the Switch in Japan (when there were no new release) so I can assume it didn't really pushed sales, Switch sold more in Japan when Diablo III or Dark Souls were released.

And I mentionned Fallout 76 because you claimed since games like Skyrim, Doom or Wolfenstein II are "old ports" (which is odd, Wolfenstein II was released on Switch just a few month after PS4/Xbox One so not really an "old port") or MK11, Crash Bandicoot, Fortnite are too specific games, they shouldn't be considered as good 3rd party support. So I took a game that was pretty much waited by everyone (so a simultaneous release on the Switch should - by definition - mean good 3rd party support) but isn't really worth playing since it's a pretty bad game.

So, yeah, the Switch don't have all 3rd party games for now and will probably never get the next AAA game from EA or Activision. Big deal, remember the lootbox-gate of Battlefront II.

The amount of 3rd party games we have so far - in portable version - is way beyond what we could expect from an underpowered Nintendo system. Bethesda is even trying to get Rage 2 working on the Switch, that's says a lot.

But despite all of those things, honestly I'll still be disappointed if they don't bring GTA V.



zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

What are the odds it pushed more than Dark Souls and Diablo 3 did combined?

People might not want to play Fallout 76, but I noticed you didn't mention Red Dead Redemption 2, or Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto V to name a few. Why is that?

Why are you focusing on single titles being system sellers? A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform.

I feel like almost every time i see you talk about Switch you bring up how it doesnt have any 3rd party system sellers so I have to ask, why does it matter?

Because as you said "A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform." And the fraction of a percent that are system seller, how important are they? I'll give you a hint: go figure out what percentage of total software sales are made up by the 20 best selling titles on Switch.

Because games that actually move systems are a critical part of a platforms long-term success. Since Nintendo has more or less released the vast majority of its system sellers, it's going to need to keep its momentum going somehow. The most logical place for this is a constant and steady stream of games that make people want to go out and buy your console, and it it can't come from you, it has to come from third parties - that are busy making safe ports that get mostly get mediocre sales. I don't see why that can't be seen as a issue with the Switch going forward. If sales are going to start plateauing, third party support may turn out to be a big reason why.



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Funny how they keep swapping places when the other reaches the holidays..



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Why are you focusing on single titles being system sellers? A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform.

I feel like almost every time i see you talk about Switch you bring up how it doesnt have any 3rd party system sellers so I have to ask, why does it matter?

Because as you said "A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform." And the fraction of a percent that are system seller, how important are they? I'll give you a hint: go figure out what percentage of total software sales are made up by the 20 best selling titles on Switch.

Because games that actually move systems are a critical part of a platforms long-term success. Since Nintendo has more or less released the vast majority of its system sellers, it's going to need to keep its momentum going somehow. The most logical place for this is a constant and steady stream of games that make people want to go out and buy your console, and it it can't come from you, it has to come from third parties - that are busy making safe ports that get mostly get mediocre sales. I don't see why that can't be seen as a issue with the Switch going forward. If sales are going to start plateauing, third party support may turn out to be a big reason why.

Ok so what do you think the Switch's lifetime sales will be?



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

I was talking about general 3rd party support, not only about system seller games, but yes we will get more games like ones I mentioned (bigger, stronger games that makes Switch lineup more diverse and apealing).

Thats not what I said, I was very clear, again, you have people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games push them to buy Switch, Dark Souls and espacily Diablo 3 are very good examples. But fact is that 3rd party games are not crucial for Nintendo, sales of Switch proves that, espacily in 1st year of Switch where you had only only few 3rd party games. Actualy, this year just from currently confirmed Nintendo games and exclusives look stronger than 2018. was, and offcourse we will have more announcements that will be part of 2019. lineup because we are at beggining of February.

Again, I was very clear, "I dont saying its great 3rd party support, but it is good 3rd party support for Nintendo platform and that 3rd party support is incrasing". Now you keep moving your goal post, remember, I reply you because you wrote that 3rd party is not incrasing, and thats clearly not true.

I was talking about the meaningful third party support. Do you realize how many hundreds of third party games the Wii had made for it that was called "shovelware"? The Wii had poor third party support despite all that shovelware. So for all practical purposes its about quantity of quality titles. That's what I'm focusing on. It doesn't matter if the Switch has two dozen first party games coming out every month it doesn't actually make the platform more attractive to the average prospective buyer in a meaningful way.

You still don't seem to get that Dask Souls and Diablo 3 are two third party games in two years that you keep bringing up as "great system selling games" when the fans of those games have been able to play those games on multiple platforms, multiple times for years and years, because again, they're are ports of games that are several years old. Look I get that as a Nintendo fan, if you do the vast majority of your gaming on a Nintendo platform,  this might be a bigger deal to you because you haven't actually had the opportunity to play these games before.  But you need to understand that Nintendo fans that only game on Nintendo hardware are the only people that haven't had access to these games for years. SO again, the fact that you bring these titles ups is indication that third party support on the Switch actually isn't all that good. Last's years third party support was poor at best. This years third party support from announced titles is still poor but slightly less poor. Let me put it to you this way - going from a 30% grade in course to a 40% is an improvement, but it's still a failing grade.

See that's the difference between me and you. You're holding Nintendo to a different standard. It has solid third party support "for Nintendo", but for any other platform, it would widely be considered poor. The vita is a prime example of this - it's third party support is actually kinda similar to the Switch, yet it was vastly panned as having little meaningful third party support, as most of it's third party titles catered to niche audiences that weren't expected to sell that high. Yet, here you are giving Nintendo a free pass, and pretending that because the Switch is getting better third party support than Nintendo systems have for years, it's going to lead to more Switch sales, when in actual fact the gap is still so large that the Switch's third party support is still a factor attracting people to platforms other than the Switch. It's simply not good enough if Nintendo wants to keep its sales momentum while it's first party studios work on their next batch of titles, and to be frank, it's not even really close to being enough.

I dont see how Wii has anything with this? Games I mentioned are not shovelware at all. Games that I mentioned are quality titles. More games makes platform more attractive in any case, that espacily goes when we talk about good and quality titles (even if they are old ports), not to mentioned Nintendo and exclusive Switch games.

Pls stop moving goal posts, you also keep saying things that I never said, stop doing that if you want to have normal discusion, I never said even nearly anything similar like "great system selling games" for any game that I mentioned. I said that for some people games that I mentioned because full handheld mode are big deal, and those are kind of people that had some interest in Switch and some of those games can push them to buy Switch, same like this "Offcourse that not single 3rd party game can move consoles like biggest Nintendo IPs can, but point is that Switch is getting some great and diverse 3rd party games (despite good part of them are old ports), and that Switch 3rd party support is incrasing in any case". You have problem realising that some people because full handheld mode can be intrested about some 3rd party games even they played them before, also dont act that every person played every older game in any case. Real word is "better" than last year, not little less poor, lol.

Reality is that no one ever said that Switch (or any other Ninetndo platform) can or have same 3rd party support like other platforms, so its pointles to compare that support with PS4/XB1, and thats why people more comparing 3rd party support with past Nintendo systems. So its not point about free pass at all, when someone say that Switch has good 3rd party support for Nintendo system. Fact is that when Switch or any other platform has more games and more diverse games (yes, that counts old ports and Indies, not just AAA current gen games), means lineup of that platform is more apealing and that lead to more desairible product and better sales. I wouldnt be woried about Switch momentum on your place, Switch in 2018. sold more than it did in 2017. and in 2019. will sell more than it did in 2018.

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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Why are you focusing on single titles being system sellers? A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform.

I feel like almost every time i see you talk about Switch you bring up how it doesnt have any 3rd party system sellers so I have to ask, why does it matter?

Because as you said "A fraction of a percent of all games are system sellers regardless of platform." And the fraction of a percent that are system seller, how important are they? I'll give you a hint: go figure out what percentage of total software sales are made up by the 20 best selling titles on Switch.

Because games that actually move systems are a critical part of a platforms long-term success. Since Nintendo has more or less released the vast majority of its system sellers, it's going to need to keep its momentum going somehow. The most logical place for this is a constant and steady stream of games that make people want to go out and buy your console, and it it can't come from you, it has to come from third parties - that are busy making safe ports that get mostly get mediocre sales. I don't see why that can't be seen as a issue with the Switch going forward. If sales are going to start plateauing, third party support may turn out to be a big reason why.

You were talking about 3rd party support being bad so I dont see how "Nintendo games sell alot" is really relevant.

Everytime a new major Nintendo IP releases we have people saying Nintendo has released all their system sellers.

It happened after launch when people were saying Switch sales would drop because all the hardcore Nintendo fans got one for Zelda. Then it happened again after the holidays when people said that all the Nintendo fans got a Switch in 2017 for Zelda, Mario Kart, Splatoon & Mario Odyssey. It's happening again now that Pokemon Let's Go and Smash have released and it will happen this time next year after Animal Crossing, Luigi's Mansion & a new gen Pokemon release.

And the thing so many people ignore is the strength of evergreens. Those big games from 2017 were moving consoles in 2018 and the big 2017/2018 games will be moving consoles in 2019. Evergreens and a steady stream of small-medium games can keep sales strong even when there is a drought of major system sellers.

A prime example of this is Q1-Q3 of last year when  Switch sold 7.25 million with the biggest new release selling like 2 million.

Then there is always price cuts and revisions that can and will keep momentum going.

And like you said, many 3rd parties have just been safe late ports but this year we are beginning to see more day and date titles and exclusives so I dont see how 3rd party support can in anyway be seen as getting worse. 



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Interesting how it change spots with ps4 every 6 months.